Discussion on Vaccine Opinions and Science

What do you think I've expressed regret about with COVID?

Well, let me ask you,

are you still standing by all the stuff you

said about people being idiots for not getting the vaccine?

Yeah, the only thing I changed,

because the scientific advice changed, and I've accepted that if

there was another health pandemic, I would not rush

to accept scientific advice in real time as actually 100%

irrefutable, never to change, because science evolves,

and especially in a health emergency.

The one thing I have said I changed my mind over,

because the science advice changed, was that originally they advised that

if you had the vaccine,

then you could not transmit the virus.

And I was then very censorious towards people

who simply refused to have the vaccine,

because I said, it's not about you, it's actually about

your ability to transmit it and maybe infect more vulnerable people.

And I thought it was selfish.

Well, that's a pretty big change.

Well, hang on, hang on, let me finish, let me finish.

And I was very censorious, way too censorious,

I've admitted that, shouldn't have been so censorious.

And when the science advice changed and said, actually,

there's now evidence that suggests, and in fact, it looks clear,

the evidence, that if you have the vaccine, it makes little difference

to your ability to transmit the virus or not,

then I changed my position.

And when I was asked about that later, I said, absolutely.

I should not have been so censorious to people who didn't have it,

because at that point, it becomes personal choice.

But if you ask me on the wider picture,

do I think the COVID vaccines were a good thing?

Absolutely.

Do I think they saved millions of lives?

Absolutely.

Do I think the deliberate attempt to discredit all science

involved in the COVID pandemic is a dangerous,

dangerous thing for society?

Absolutely.

Do I know lots of people who died from COVID

who would potentially have been saved by a vaccine

if it had been there when they caught the virus?

Absolutely.

So do not take my one clarification about the ability

of a vaccine to prevent transmission as being some great mea culpa that I think...

That's a huge mea culpa, Piers.

Well, actually it's not. It's a huge mea culpa.

Actually it's not. It's a huge mea culpa

because that means that you let people to

go out and to get an experimental vaccine in their arm

and encourage them not to listen to independent voices that were saying hold

on. That's a huge mea culpa.

People died from the vaccine.

So you're talking about someone that died from not getting it.

There have been scores of people who died from the vaccine.

There have been scores of people, like my grandfather, who got the vaccine

and then were dead within one year because it led to their dementia suddenly spreading or advancing in a way.

You have no idea.

With respect... Stop, stop, stop. I let you speak about your mea culpa.

You do not know that that was down to the vaccine, do you?

First and foremost, they have admitted so much.

They lied about the six feet social distancing that just came out two weeks ago.

And you were on the side of all of these people.

So don't pretend that's a small mea culpa.

People died from blood clots pertaining to the vaccines

that you were telling them to rush out and get. People died from...

So had they had a way to perhaps listen to independent voices

who understood that there was some government... Let me ask you. Let me respond.

No, I let you talk about your mea culpa.

Had they have paused and listened to independent voices who

have, I think, probably a greater strength when it comes up to standing up to government initiatives,

because we recognize that the government is not our friend

and we recognize that the government is not trying to save our lives,

maybe those people would be alive.

Maybe my friends who had miscarriages and my friends who were saying that

it was impacting their menstruation until the government was ready to admit that seven months later.

If you had listened to people that were telling you their own experiences,

someone that went completely blind in one eye because of some weird ocular clots.

So don't pretend that's a small thing.

None of which... I just want to say, I'm happy to accept that you've changed your mind.

But don't pretend it's a small thing. People died from the vaccine.

Let me respond. And by the way, I want to be clear for people watching this.

He's saying still get it. I'm saying still don't.

Just so you can hear a different opinion.

Do not allow the government to put that in your arm.

God's system works. The government is not fixing you in any regard.

And do you feel the same way about the flu shot?

Yes. Oh, my gosh. I haven't gotten

a flu shot since I was like 12.

And things like polio and measles and all

the other shots that we give kids?

Let's skip to the point.

You might know this. I don't vax my children.

They are not vaxed.

We travel the world. My children are never sick.

I am proudly, as you media terms it, anti-vax.

I'm very aware of the psychological rules

of coming up with names for people for making sensible decisions.

I don't believe... Oh, big pharma is not God.

Big pharma is very much, in my view,

getting in the way of God's designs.

Listen, I absolutely respect your right to do

what you want for your children.

I do the complete opposite for mine.

I believe that all vaccines carry risks.

By the way, paracetamol carries risks.

Ibuprofen carries risks. Any medication, you will find instances of side effects and deaths. Every

medication in the world that's ever been created.

But do I think overall that COVID vaccines saved millions of lives

and were an incredible thing done at warp speed in the middle

of a desperate pandemic that was killing thousands of people every day?

Absolutely, I do.

So you and I would disagree about that.

You're just simply wrong.

Well, you and I disagree about that.

Yeah, we disagree. We're never going to agree

on it. But here's the beauty.

We don't have to agree about it.

That's right. Right.

But I wish that when you said you were being censorious,

I wish that you would have allowed

people who strongly disagreed to present their arguments

at that time, because I think that a lot of people

who are now struggling with getting blood clots and things of that nature,

their lives could have been saved.

I don't disagree with you.

I had a lot of people around me dying from COVID

in the most hideous, horrendous circumstances.

The co-presenter of the show, the morning show I was doing,

her husband went into a coma and never really came out of it

and sadly died a few months ago after four years, right?

Had there been a vaccine when he got the virus in

March in the first week, he might well have lived.

And that- Yeah, I don't think the vaccine would, I

personally don't believe that the vaccine would have saved him

and it's an impossible metric to know

because you can just say if he died-

You don't think the COVID vaccine saved any lives?

I genuinely do not believe that the COVID vaccine saved any lives.

You see, I'm sorry, you're a smart person, Candice.

You cannot- Thank you. You cannot

believe that the COVID vaccines saved no lives. That

is a ridiculous thing to say.

It's not, just because you're saying ridiculous and just because

you're using a lot of hyperbole doesn't make that real.

It's going to be clear.

So every single scientist in the world,

there is not a scientist who adopts it-

You just said the science changes literally five minutes ago.

Hang on, let me put a question to you then you can answer it.

Every single scientist and doctor in the world that I'm aware of agrees

that vaccines save lives. They may disagree about various points of government behavior during the pandemic.

They may disagree about this particular vaccine or another one.

What none of them have said is what you've just said,

which is it never saved any lives. None of them.

I just want to be clear.

Only you think it saved no lives.

Whenever you're claiming that there's 100% scientific consensus, you're lying.

Whether you're talking about climate change, if you make a declaration-

Name me one doctor. Name me one doctor.

That there's 100% scientific consensus on something, you're simply lying.

And by the way, if people- Name me one, okay.

Well, let me let you lie. So I'm just going to correct your lie

by pointing people to websites that can dispute this narrative

because it's a fashionable one to say 100% of experts-

Okay, let me ask you a question.

That is, as soon as somebody tells you there's 100% scientific consensus, they are lying to you.

Let me ask you.

Can you name me one professional doctor or scientist who genuinely believes,

like you, that the COVID vaccines did not save a single life?

I can point you to many because there are anti-vax doctors.

Can you name one?

Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm going to point you to an entire website

because this is actually important because RFK Jr.

has played a very large role in my awakening about vaccines

and my decision not to vaccinate my children.

I recommend you go to the long list of doctors, ChildrensHealthDefense.org.

That is his charity. And they have multiple doctors listed.

You can also go to Dr. Green Mom's website

if you want a list of doctors who do not vax your children

because just so you know, they are vaccinating your children because it is profit for them.

It is a profit incentive for every child that is vaccinated.

I want to be clear. I'm talking about America.

I can't speak to the UK laws and the UK policies,

but what we are living inside of is actually a corrupt medical drug cartel.

It is the aspirations of El Chapo.

When they wanted to have a marriage with the government in order to drug people,

we achieved that here in the West. And in America,

the CDC,

they are corrupt. The FDA is corrupt.

They have been poisoning your food.

And if you believe that it was mandated.