Discussion on Candace Owens' Controversial Statements

Effectively, ultra, ultra, you know, whatever, ultra MAGA,

but ultra IDF, whatever. And Candace hasn't said

that much. She's just sort of... She's kind of been like us.

She's been a little critical of, uh, some of the stuff where,

you know, civilians have died, or they've hit churches or hospitals,

and she, and she's, like, worried about this,

but she's not pro-Hamas.

Well, there, there, there's two things in particular

that I want to get to Jack,

and I, I say this only because I have...

I've been texted relentlessly 'cause I defended Candace yesterday, and a lot of

Jewish Americans, who I love, I have a heart for the Jewish people,

said, "Charlie,

you're out of line." I said, "Okay. Well, what did Candace do?" So this is what...

I, I don't... By the way, I don't think that their anger

or their rancor is,

like, in, like, ridi- like, even close to being justified. Let me b-

be honest.

So the first one is this, okay? The fir- and we can get this up.

I'm gonna put texts here, guys. First one is Candace Owens texted this:

"No

government anywhere has a right to commit genocide, comma, ever.

I cannot believe this even needs to be said or is controversial.

Consider it the least be controversial to state." Uh, this is on 11/3, so this

was back on November 3rd. Uh, Dave Rubin responded, uh, as y-

as I'm sure you

know, Candace, "The Palestinian population." Candace then

said, "What's amazing

about this is I did not name any country in this tweet.

I just said gener- genocide is wrong, always.

This is not a controversial stance.

Interesting how you interpreted it." And-

That's, that's a little, like-

I, I mean, it is-

"It's interesting you thought that we..." Like, it sounds like so-

something like,

you know, those n- nerds will say on internet forums,

which the, you know-

You ever spend time on what?

I, you know... Yeah, exactly.

Oh.

Of course I do.

Yeah, but this is standard-

Tearing the fedora

... re- Reddit gaslighting.

Yeah, yeah. Total Reddit, yeah.

I mean, but, but that's what the internet's all about.

True, true, true. But it's so-

Like, what fun is the internet without

gaslighting?

Like, no offense, like,

Candace, I don't think you would've made

that tweet if there were not, you know, an

Israel-Gaza war going right now. It's not like she just woke up

and tweeted this-

Hey, man, hate the game

... for no reason.

Um, but yeah, so that's true, yeah.

So then, so then, so then the third element

was she tweeted out something, and

we'll get the tweet, around the, uh, the Princess of Jordan.

There was something, like, how the, the-

Queen of Jordan. Queen Raina.

Oh, thank you. The Q-

Yeah

... yeah, the Queen of Jordan, where, uh, she said that the term

antisemitism, antisemite is being thrown around,

um, too generously, and that, by the way, I totally agree with that.

I think that's totally right. So Jack, am I missing anything? Th- th- that's...

Those are three or four different elements, right, of a bubbling up

schism, and then we'll get to the, you know, as it

stands at the recording of this, of this show, a, a

complete,

a, a civil war, whatever you wanna call it,

between Ben and Candace.

Jack, what are we missing?

Yeah, no, and I, I think she's done, and, uh, on her new

podcast, you know, she had done some monologues as well

where...

are pretty similar, I would say, to what you would hear on The Charlie Kirk

Show or

Thought Crime or Human Events or even War Room, where instead

of doing this full-on, like, calling for donations for the

IDF, we've been asking serious questions about

the geopolitical

implications of escalation of the crisis, the fact that

US bases are currently under attack, US bases that are throughout the Middle

East. Now, we don't necessarily agree with the US

having that many bases in the

Middle East. We're not saying that we promote that.

We're just saying that's what it is.

We're also talking about the implications of what were to happen if

Iran or any of the other proxies of the Muslim Brotherhood

or Iranian-based forces start to get involved in a wider dispute and

how this would kick off a potential, uh, two-front crisis while the US is currently

involved in the proxy war in Ukraine, which is just a complete fiasco, an

absolute disaster that's going on right now.

And so,

you know, we've also asked questions about the

security posture of

Israel vis-a-vis the IDF and Bibi Netanyahu prior

to October 7th, asking how could such an

attack, such an elaborate, sophisticated, obviously well-planned attack,

uh, take place when we know that Bibi Netanyahu has always y-

portrayed himself as sort of the, you know, the hardline

security I'm-gonna-protect-everyone, uh, candidate.

This has been Likud's, um, entire raison d'être, their

entire mantra for the past 30 years.

So the idea that this happens on his watch, also something, by the way, that

President Trump has called out, and to be fair,

a lot of people in Israel have

called out as well, are really seen as failures of Netanyahu's

administration, uh, and breakdowns within the intel

apparatus there, the security apparatus of the Israeli

state on

Netanyahu's watch.

And yet Ben Shapiro

basically... And, and, and I, I wanna be clear because there's this

video.

So the video that popped off is really the inciting incident,

at least of this

iteration of the conflict. Um, it's not clear that this was

a public event. It looks like it was a private event.

I know that we have the video. I'm sure we're gonna be getting to it.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Let's look to it.

Let's just get to it.

Uh-

Yeah, this, this, this, this, this was the-

You know, dust up

... this was the Pearl Harbor of, of the whole deal. Blake, set the,

set the stage.

All right. So this appears to be... This came out on Tuesday.

It's not clear when it was recorded, but, uh, this came out on Tuesday.

I guess let's just talk to it. If you're mystified by, um,

the appearance of

things, it appears that Ben Sh- Ben is- Shapiro is standing on some sort

of object, uh, perhaps a table, perhaps a couch, perhaps, uh,

ex- some, like, extremely tall Ron DeSantis heels.

Uh, but we wanna set the stage for that 'cause it could be a very confusing

image

otherwise. Uh, so let's roll, uh, 85.

Yes.

And the, the question was about Candace Owens.

I think her behavior during this has been disgraceful.

Without a doubt, I think it's been completely disgraceful.

And I,

I, I can't normalize that.

How do you respond to that?

Yeah, I mean, she still works for my company.

I mean, and I think she's been absolutely

disgraceful.

I think that, I think that her, her faux sophistication on these

particular issues

has been ridiculous. It's not faux sophistication.

It's ridiculous.

Everybody can see the moves that she's making and the things

that she's saying, and

I find them disreputable.

Okay. Look, I gotta, I, I gotta say something, but go ahead.

Faux sophistication-

Yeah

... disreputable-

Yeah

... ridiculous. That, that's a lot of stuff to say.

Let, let, let, let, let me-

You're on a roll

... tell you my biggest problem with this

whole thing, and Tyler will totally

agree. You don't act like this is a leader, Ben.