Debate on Ethnicity, Crime and Prison Statistics

That's, these are all myths. There's no, no ethnicity-

They are not myths at all

... commits more crime than the other.

Not myths.

No ethnicity in this country commits more crime than the other.

Why would you say that?

They don't.

Why would you say that?

Because there's no evidence to prove that Brown people commit more crime.

What evidence would you look for?

What do you mean? Uh, um-

What would be evidence that the, there's a difference in criminality

between

ethnicities?

Because there's... What, uh, sorry, explain that. What do you mean?

Well, like if, if, if, if you were-

What, when you say evidence, do you mean the boards

or do you mean statistics?

Yeah, statistics. Like, if you were looking for statistics to suggest

that one

ethnic group was more prone to commit criminal acts than another, what

kind of statistics would you look for?

Well, the, the government official f- statistics is what I'd be looking for.

Yeah, but what, what, yeah, but what kind of statistics?

What would it show?

Um-

Prison population maybe?

Yeah, go on then. You tell me. I don't know.

Um-

Then it's definitely that some ethnicities commit more crimes

than others.

No.

Muslims and Blacks are massively overrepresented in prisons.

White people are overrepresented in prison.

No, they're underrepresented.

Th- I don't... No, that's not true, Carl.

It, it is absolutely true.

None of this is true.

No, it's absolutely true.

You are just making up things.

I'm not making up anything.

It's not true. Are you saying-

Why would I make it up?

Are you saying our prisons are actually a majority Black

and Brown people?

Why does it have to be majority?

No.

Why does it have to be majority?

But then what is it then?

Well, it's something like 30% Black, but there are-

Right, okay, so then it's not. So therefore it's still white,

more white people.

Yeah, but this is-

Obviously

... but Catholic- But out of, out of a population of 3% Black,

if the prison

population is 30% Black, it should be 3% Black to be accurately

represented,

right?

Who said it's 30%? I need to see that fig-

No, yeah-

I don't believe that at all

... well-

I don't believe that at all. Maybe a pr-

You-

... a prison where there's more-

Mu- Muslims as well-

... multiple-

... are also massively overrepresented

... and full of white people and was all white.

No, no, no. No, no, but listen.

As they should be-

But-

... 'cause we are a majority white country.

Yeah, but white people are not. They're underrepresented in the prisons.

No.

It is the case.

No.

But the thing is, why wouldn't it be the case?

Like, what's, what are you appealing to?

Because what I'm saying to you is because we're a majority white country-

Yeah, but when you say there's no proof-

... obviously we're a majority white country

... but you said there's no difference. Why would there be no difference?

What do you mean no difference? In the, uh, uh, uh-

In the criminality rates-

Yes

... of different ethnic groups. Why would there be no difference?

Because n- because there is, because we can't target.

There's no proof to target that Black or Brown people commit more crime.

There's absolutely-

There's absolutely no proof

... no evidence to that. No, there's not.

Of course there is.

There's absolutely no evidence.