China, los modelos abiertos y la carrera por usar la IA

wonder if the model, the open models come from China or the US.

Well, we're doing- Why should we care? -everything we can- Yeah.

-um, to make a contribution in open models.

However, the moment you download... Like, for example, probably the vast majority of the world's contribution to open source today is coming from China.

They just have a lot more engineers. They produce everything in large scale because it's a larger country.

And so, they produce science and math students in volume.

Right. That's one of our disadvantages. Right.

They're manufacturing them through amazing universities like Tsinghua University in high volume. Yeah.

Well, they contribute open source today.

We download Linux, we download Kubernetes, we download all the software.

A lot of it has been touched by Chinese.

And once you download it, it's yours. We fork it, we improve it, we make it ours.

And so, we-- when you download one of these Chinese models, it just happens to be made by some really great researchers in China, but it's now yours. So what exactly- Whatever you want to do with it.

So what exactly is the race? The race? Yeah.

I think that's, that's a really good point.

My point is, the race is really about who exploits the technology best.

You know, the last industrial revolution, all of the inventors were Maxwell, Volta, Ampere.

None of them were American. They were, right? The last industrial revolution came from Europe, but we exploited it. Right.

We took advantage of it- Right. -socially, better than anybody else in the world, and look how it turned out for us.

I want to make sure that this next generation happens just like this.

Ford, Stone, Kaiser. Yeah, yeah. That's right.

So why, why are the communists getting their message out so successfully here right now?

You know, I, I think first of all, the narrative is much more practical.

The narrative is much more practical. Nobody is in China is saying that there's end of this and end of that, and, you know, cataclysmic this and, you know- Doom or that. Doom or that.

They're much more pragmatic about it. They see AI as a technology that's going to advance their economy, advance their society, and they don't have these, these groups who are basically saying it's going to end civilization.

And we're making it up. The part that is frustrating is if it was true, if it was true, then we ought to talk about it and go do something about it. Right.

Even, even if it's true, we ought to spend more time doing something about it than worrying a bunch of people who can't do anything about it.

But- It's our job to build it right. And that's the thing.

Has there ever been a point in history where so many people have so vehemently said something that is so untrue?

And they're measurably, they're qu-- they're actually demonstrably untrue, and it actually makes sense it's untrue.

It's not based on science, it's not based on research.

Everything that's based on science and research proves otherwise.

Is it a fear of the frontier? Humans have never been there, we've never seen it, therefore we're scared of it, and therefore it's easy to tell everyone to be scared of it.

And I think it, it could be life experience as well, David.

Um, so let me give you an example. When I first graduated from school, I was an engineer, and I didn't do that much typing.

And the reason for, for that is because I was the first generation before software, software became popular.

We had to go build the computers to make software pop-- possible.

Could you imagine in this generation, every single engineer who came into the world of engineering, you spend all your time typing.

Literally, that's what you do. When you get a job, they give you a laptop, they give you a chair, and you start typing.

You s-- you type all day long. You type from the moment you wake up to the moment...

Well, there was engineering before typing.

Right. And so, so can you imagine that the world has a mountain of engineering work to do where most of it is not typing anymore?

Sure. We were-- we had busy engineers before typing.

I think we're going to do a lot of great engineering after typing. Yeah.

When I say typing, I mean coding. I mean, and so even at NVIDIA, when software engineers talk to me, I, I tell them, "You're just typing."

I've been saying that forever, but obviously for fun.

And I, I tell, I tell them, "My favorite key is backspace."

And, and the reason for that is because the best software is the smallest software. Yeah.

So I, I want you to-