Discussion on UFOs and Government Secrecy

The second thing that bothers me is the UFO story.

And, uh, you know, the more you dig into that

and talk to people with

know- with actual knowledge of it, again, that's a- another story where there are

some f- you know, fanciful ideas floating around that

are just, you know, there's

no evidence that they're true. But if you talk to people who, you know,

have actual knowledge of it that they gathered themselves, there are

parts of that story that I do not understand at all that

are really,

really, really dark, and so dark that I, you know, haven't

told my wife about it. I mean, I, I haven't verified any-

Right

... of this, but this is not just stuff

that I read on the internet.

I know you all are very, very grounded in that story,

so I think I know you know

what I'm talking about.

Yeah.

But there's some stuff there that's just like, man, I, I'm not even sure what that

means. There's a spiritual component there

that I-

Yeah

... I don't fully understand. Um, so yes, that story bothers me.

And I think, last thing I'll say, that one of the reasons

that we've had all the,

these disclosures and all these, what, 10 whistleblowers at this point, and it

hasn't really become front page news. Part of it's suppression.

You know, parts of the government don't want you to

know about it.

But part of it is the public can't deal with it. It's too far out.

The implications are too, um, profound.

And so, and I understand that. I, 'cause I've heard things where I'm just

like,

oh, man, I, I don't even really wanna know that-

Yeah

... honestly.

Deeply-

So-

... disturbing stuff. You know, forget like saucers-

You know what I mean?

... and technology. It's-

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no

... deeply, deeply disturbing st- stuff that I haven't even told Natalie.

Yeah.

I agree with you. It's so disturbing-

Exactly

... I can't even tell my kids. My kids ask me different stories about it,

and I, I

won't say it-

Yeah, no, no

... because it's so dark.

It's so dark.

I totally agree.

Miles is watching, so.

Okay, Miles, if you're watching the show-

Yeah

... daddy's not gonna tell you about that part of the UFO stuff- ...

and what's going on with the government and that involvement.

Well, can, can I say one thing? I, I'm, they've known clear, I mean, this is, I

think, established, and I feel comfortable saying this as

fact.

The US government, I mean, these are real, whatever they are. They're not human.

And the government has known that for a long time,

possibly going back to the 1930s

at least. And of course, there's tons of evidence in the written

record, in the physical record, in paintings, um, and in the, and in

literature, that people have been seeing

and interacting with these things for a

long time. So we know that. But the justification one

often hears is, well, the government, you know, the government,

various presidents

who have been read in, not all have been, um, haven't wanted to disclose

this because it would scare people, and I've always thought that's, that's

bullshit. You know, you're hiding a crime.

Which they are, by the way, in my opinion.

Right.

Um, but I do think there's a sense in

which that's not totally

crazy. Like, there is some stuff,

if it's true, and I'm kinda thinking it may be true,

that's

so radical that, um, yeah, but w- as we

both said, we, you know, don't wanna tell the people we love most

about it because,

like, why would you, you know, disturb someone like that?

So I kind of get that.

I hate to admit it. I'm not, I'm not arguing for hiding things.

I believe in the truth and I believe in disclosure,

but I understand the impulse.

Like, holy smokes, this is heavy. You know what I mean?

Right. And the government's involvement in it

makes it even heavier

because-

Well-

... then you realize the complicity of it

... exactly.

Yeah.

Okay, so we're talking about the same thing.

Yeah.

Oh, couldn't tell.

No, yeah.

Oh, Debbie.

Yeah, we are.

Excuse me.

Should I go?

No, no, no, no. We, this is what we used to talk about in

commercial breaks all the

time. This is the kind of stuff w-

Right.

Anyway, uh-

Yeah, so at the time, I never would've believed any of that,

but now

I'm like-