Discussion on Michigan Voting and Policies

talking about.

Okay. I am, but let's keep going. Uh,

Black people in Michigan-

Well, I know you guys are talking about that, but, like,

the most of the country's

not.

Okay.

Go ahead.

Well, all right.

Black people in Michigan voted for this white lady you ran against by, like,

eight points over you.

What happened there?

Well, Jesse, I mean, you said it yourself, right? You gotta give credit to Abdul.

He ran against the machine. I got outspent 11 to one.

That 11 to one's gonna do something at the end of the day.

Now, my job is to go and earn every vote, and we've been having some great

conversations in the community and we'll continue to do that.

And I have a lot to talk about when it comes to my work taking care, uh,

of

communities. I rebuilt Detroit's health department,

led Wayne County's Department

of Health, Human, and Veteran Services.

Got to work alongside, uh, so many folks in the community to give

kids

glasses, take on corporate polluters, eliminate medical debt.

I'm looking forward to continuing to have those conversations, and I feel really

good about being able to bring communities together and beat Mike Rogers, who you

and I both agree is a beta and won't come on your show- ...

and won't debate me, uh, in November.

Uh, didn't agree to that, but that's funny. Uh, reparations,

do you support that?

But you laughed at it.

I did.

'Cause, 'cause, 'cause you didn't say you didn't agree.

Like, Jesse, you're very good at telling me

when you don't agree with me- ...

but you actually laughed at that joke because you actually agree.

Sorry.

Reparations, do you support that?

I think we need to have an honest conversation about the incredible debt

that was put upon Black folks as a function of slavery

that we have yet to pay,

and I just think that's fair. Like, if, if, if people are enslaved and

forced into servitude, and then we don't actually have a

conversation about all that was owed, that our own country agreed

was owed, I, I just think that it's high past time to have

that conversation.

That shouldn't be a crazy thing. Um, you know, I, I-

Conversation

... I understand that, like, for folks who really wanna inflame culture

war.

I just think it's important for us to think about, how do we make sure that

communities like the city of Detroit, that have been segregated so that you, you

have a disproportionate number of people as a function of redlining who

are forced into certain communities, how do we make sure that their schools are

made whole? I'll just tell you this, in, in the city of Detroit right now, they

just had $700 million invested in their schools.

They're still $1.7 billion behind, and a lot of folks wanna

say, "Oh, well, that's profligacy," et cetera, et cetera.

No, a lot of that has to do with public

policy.

Okay.

And if public policy created a level in which Black folks disproportionately

suffer everything from maternal mortality and infant mortality, uh, to, uh,

lack of access to jobs-

Yeah

... I, I think it's important for our country-

All right

... to have a conversation-

So you wanna have a conversation-

... about how we make people whole

... you wanna have a conversation about it,

because we have you on the record as

backing it, but now you just wanna have a

conversation. I, I got it. I got it.

The-

Well, I couldn't tell you-

... Schumer

... I couldn't tell you exactly what... Go ahead.

Schumer. You said you basically wanted his head on

a stake when

you were running in the primary, and do you still believe that?

Well, look, me and the senator have one goal right

now.

It is to win Michigan, so we're looking forward to doing that,

and given the fact

that Mike Rogers, who you agree is a beta- ...

uh, is my opponent-

It's funny

... it probably shouldn't be very hard.

Okay.

I respect the fact that you came on-

See, you still, you still haven't opposed me. Mike, bro,

talk to your guy.

I, I, I respect the fact that you came on.

I don't think you've really looked into some of the policies you're pushing.

Uh, you seem a little naive, Abdul.

I give you credit for facing the music, but some of this stuff's just straight up

wacky,

you know? I don't know if that's gonna fly in Michigan-

Well, Jesse, look-

... but we're gonna find out

... at the end of the day, you know who's wacky?

We're gonna find out, and-

We're gonna find out, and, and you know what's wacky?

Yeah.

You know who's wacky, though?

Yeah.

Can I, can I just tell you? You know who you didn't ask me about?

What?

We got a president of the United States who cares more about the drapes in a

ballroom that shouldn't be built than he cares about the war he just got us into,

or that he cares about the affordability crisis.

That seems to me to be a little bit wacky.

So if we wanna have a serious conversation about what-

All right. Well-

... Michiganders are feeling, I'd love to come back on

and talk about getting money

out of politics, put money in your pocket, passing Medicare for All-

Okay. We'll do it again

... 'cause I'll tell you, none of that is wacky,

and that's what Michiganders want.

We'll do it again, Abdul.

I look forward to it, Jesse. It was a good conversation.

All right. Thank you so much. Good luck in Michigan.

See, at least I don't dodge you.

No. Yeah.

Thank you.

Like 25 percent.