Discussion on Trans Rights and Identity

Um, I'm gonna throw it over to Victoria now,

and, uh, she'll just

touch on a few, a little bit more about that.

Uh, hi, Jennifer. I really wanna thank you for meeting with

us today, and, uh,

taking the time to, uh, try to signal that this is more of a priority for

you. Um-

Absolutely. Delighted to meet with you all.

Yeah. Thanks for having us. Um, before I would ever say, though,

that this was a

productive meeting and be counted to the list of,

of contacts that you've

reached out to during the queer community, I have to know a few things of where you

sit. Um, will you state on the record right now

that trans

women are women?

I've never been asked that before.

Will you say that on the record right now?

No. I wanna have some time to think on that.

Okay. Well, that's me. Um, have a great day, and I will be

speaking out against this meeting because you are clearly not ready to have this.

So I'm not gonna be added to the list of meetings that you are going to have with

people where you say, "Well, I met this pr- person

and this person," because

no. No, no, no. You can't say, "I've had these consultations,"

and use that as

justification for you to work your way back into caucus, which is wh- why we know

you're really here.

This only happens, this meeting is only happening

because you're on Twitter, in the Twitter sphere, and people

are debating whether

or not you're gonna be let back into caucus, and Premier Smith

is debating that.

And so you need to do some PR work, and I'm not gonna be your Band-Aid.

I'm not gonna be your pink washing.

Unless you can tell me right now that you believe that I,

as a trans woman, right now, right here, am a woman, then

we don't have a lot to work on here. You wanna talk about listening to the

community? If you can't start with that basic foundational principle that we

are who we say we are

in our bones,

then I don't think we're on the same page for working forward.

So I'll give you one last chance.

Are trans women women? Will you say that on the record right now?

Victoria, we can disagree on things and-

Not on that

... still be-

Not on my identity. No, no, no, no. Not on that.

And I can still care about you-

No

... even if we disagree.

Wonderful, but I will be speaking out against this

meeting 100%

if you can't say that right now, 'cause I'm not gonna have you add my name

to the

list of meetings that you've had to show that you're,

quote, doing the work,

because you're not doing the work. The work is the inner work.

You're learning the outer work. You're learning what you're allowed to say

in

public and what you're not, so you don't get in this situation again,

'cause you

got caught saying what you really thought.

And you did think that, but you haven't shown that you've changed.

Because if you can't respect us,

then how can I work with you? If you don't believe that I am a woman

sitting right here, right now,

how on earth are you saying that you're working with me?

What work have you done then if you can't start with, "Yes, Victoria,

you are a woman"?

Can we disagree and still respect each other?

No. Goodbye.