FBI Disqualification Criteria Discussion

Um,

wh- what, what, what about the bestiality?

Same thing, because the regs wrote it up in a fashion

before I

arrived that addressed prostitution, bestiality, and trafficking.

They were there before I got there.

They auto-

Yeah, but tell, tell me what it said before

... it a- it automatically disqualified any

individual who

participated on either side of it.

Obviously we are never going to hire the criminal who engaged-

This side of what? The bestiality?

Yes.

So you disqualified the animal?

Well, I don't think we... We, we have great canines, but we're not gonna

disqualify-

I understand. I, I'm trying to un- understand why you did this.

Have you... Um, this is not directed at you, Mr. Director.

A- a- and I, I, I understand the game.

People try to make you look bad.

Uh, we do the same thing when, when the other party's in

office. And all of this stuff has really hurt the

FBI.

It's really hurt the FBI.

So I'm trying to get to the bottom of this.

Why would you,

why would you, i- in light of the, of the context

and, and what we're going through, and we're having a tough time

attracting agents, good quality agents we all can

trust,

because so many people, fairly or unfairly, think

that in order to be an FBA- FBI agent now,

y- your political point of view matters.

Why would you even get into bestiality?

We, we are not into bestiality, but a lot of these individuals-

I know you're not-

... pa-

... but you changed, you, you, you changed the qual-

But I'm trying to explain it. Hang on

... you changed the qualifications and mentioned bestiality.

It's a, I, I-

If, if Joe, if Joe participated in

bestiality-

Mm-hmm

... not as the animal but as the human,

don't you think he ought to be qualified, disqualified?

If he voluntarily did it, sure, but if he was trafficked into it,

then he should be

considered-

Okay, how do you involuntarily do it?

I- in a lot of these cases, when human traffickers, who

are some of the worst

individuals on Planet Earth, they don't just traffic you for

prostitution, they

traffic you for degrading acts of all kind, and they force you into that type of

conduct. And some of these individuals would go on

to be law enforcement officers

who qualified to be law enforcement officers and later applied to the FBI.

I mean, this, this didn't initi- this, th- these changes didn't start

with you, did they?

No. No.

Somebody came to you and recommended?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And when you saw bestiality,

and I say this with respect,

the person who recommended it,

why didn't you just say,

"What planet did you parachute in from?"

Why do, why do I wanna lead-

Well, that was my initial response

... why do I wanna lead with my chin and get into bestiality?

That was my initial response, Senator, but they then explained to me

and showed me

cases in which people were forced into it

and had applied to the FBI,

and so I thought they should be considered.

It's not an automatic disqualification. That's all.

Okay. All right. I think I understand.

Okay.

But you're not telling us today

that if a human being

had sex

with an animal

that they can still be an FBI agent?

No.

Are you?

No.

They can't be, can they?

They cannot.

In fact, they ought to be in jail, right?

They all are.

Yeah. Well, okay.