Paul and Muhammad: Debate Over Revelation and the Apostles

What is your evidence that Paul, I'm sorry, that Muhammad is greater than

Paul? What's your evidence?

Uh, Muhammad was a messenger of God.

What makes him a messenger and not Paul?

I don't think Paul received revelation, first thing.

I don't think he was in line with the teachings of what he claimed.

I don't believe he was a Pharisee.

All right, let's do one thing at a time. One thing at a time.

All right. I'll make it easy. Paul was a liar, Muhammad wasn't.

Well, o- okay. One thing at a time. Let's start with the first thing.

You said that you don't believe that Paul-

No-

... received revelations-

No, no, let's start from the beginning

... but you believe Muhammad did.

Let's make it simple.

That's the first thing you said.

No, no, yeah, I know. But let me, let me nutshell it for you.

No, I don't need, I don't need the nutshell.

But I'm going to.

No, this right here. We're doing one thing at a time.

No, no, no, I'll make it easy. Paul's a liar.

That, that, that's fine. That's point four.

There you go.

That's point four.

No, no, no, no.

What are you-

No, no, no, no

... one and all?

No, point one rolls into all of them.

Uh, okay.

Paul's a liar, Muhammad isn't.

I got you. I got you. So what makes you th- believe Muhammad

received revelation over Paul receiving revelation?

'Cause Paul's a liar.

Okay, so what makes you think he lied about his,

him receiving revelation?

Uh, becau- why? Because of what he received based upon

your

text, and what the disciples believed was contrary.

All right, so just to be clear, you're saying that because Paul

and what he's supposedly received-

Mm

... is contrary to what the apostles had-

Yes

... then that would make Paul a liar.

Yes.

Okay. So for somebody to be, to be a true messenger-

Mm-hmm

... to have credibility-

Mm-hmm

... they would have to be in line with the

apostles, is that correct?

Yes.

Okay. Was Muhammad in line with the apostles?

That, that... Please, don't do that nonsense.

That's what we're doing.

Don't do that nonsense.

There's no, there's no d- double standards.

Don't, don't, don't do that nonsense.

No double standards.

No. The thing is, you see, we're talking about your text,

your beliefs-

We're talking about both

... your position.

We're talking about both.

Look, look, look, I'm, I'm not playing this game.

I don't answer questions to Christians until you demonstrate you understand

English, comprehend it, utilize it.

Mm.

The qu- point here is this. You made so many claims about Paul

which went

unchallenged.

I'm sorry, Your Grace. Forgive my insolence.

Unfortunately, we do have a subject matter

that we have going on.

Please-

So why, why is it when other people-

Please forgive me

... question you on Paul-

Y- Your Grace, please, my, forgive my insolence.

But again-

I'm gonna go play Banolo. Later, dude.

Come on, Hamza.

See you later, dude.

Take care, man.

No, no, no, I, I, I watched you go unchallenged-

You did

... with your claims about Paul. And as soon as-

I was-

... you're challenged on Paul-

No

... I knew you were gonna run like a little

girl to Islam.

But I, I did the, I'm doing you the-

'Cause you can't handle it

... I'm, I'm doing you the same way I did them.

You can't take the heat, bro.

Hamza.

You can't take the smoke.

I, I'm, I'm right here.

You-

Look who ran away

... you can't answer questions about Paul

then-

Look who the one who had to leave the live

... which you've been going the whole day.

As soon as you're pressed on Paul, you know you're clueless.

You seem up, you seem upset, Hamza.

So, so you run to Islam and all this stuff-

Hamza, you seem upset, man

... focus on Paul.

Oh.

Validate Paul. Listen, I'll explain why.

How about... Yeah.

Let me explain something.

Please-

Avery

... please, brother, don't talk about Muhammad.

Avery-

Please don't hold me to my own standard

... let me explain to, let me explain it to you.

No.

Let me explain it to you.

I don't need you to explain. I don't need you to explain anything to

me, man.

But I'm going to.

It's, it's like this.

But what I'm going to.

When, when you come here-

Okay

... when you come here-

So my argument against Paul destroys-

No, shh. Let's go ahead and do this.

When you come here and you try to challenge me on my subject,

you're gonna

get treated like everybody, Hamza. Everybody, bro.

Stop trying to run away from the challenge. Stop.

You're, you're, you're not gonna get away with double

standards here.

So if you're gonna say, and w- the... And you see how you cut yourself.

You said that if somebody does not agree with the

apostles, then therefore they are a liar. Now answer the question.

Did Muhammad agree with the apostles? Answer.

It will help you. It will help you.

Answer the question.

Yeah. You don't mute me.

Who are you? You've been unchallenged in your claims

about

Paul-

Answer the question please, bro

... and as soon as you're pressed-

I gotta move on to the next person

... your audience can see you can't defend

Paul. You're clueless, mate.

All right.

Yeah?

Thank you.

I steamroll Christians-

Hamza, thank you so much

... all day on Paul.

I appreciate it. Appreciate you.

I wanted a challenge-

Take care

... a- and you can't de-

Take care of yourself, man. Better watch your head, man.

Watch your head on your way out, big dog. This is weird.

I, I'm, I'm a little lost. I, I, I'm confused.

I could have sworn did that say God, God, GodLogic's

den? I could have sworn it was, it was, it was m- Forgive my

insolence, Your Grace. Um, forgive me, uh, my insolence.

Again, Your Grace, Your Highness, unfortunately we had a topic and,

and forgive me again, I asked you a question that i-

immediately exposed your argument. Immediately.

Do you guys... I want you guys to see this,

and you guys all saw it.

This dude fell for the same trap that

every common Muslim falls for. Every common Muslim, which is every

Muslim. Big dawah dude, supposed to come in here and know how to

debate and know how to maneuver, and Hamza's Den came

in and fell for the same trap. Paul is a liar

because he disagreed with the apostles.

So whoever is not in line with the apostles is a liar,

Hamza? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say that, yeah. Yeah, mate. Yeah.

Okay, awesome. Then was Muhammad in line with the apostles?

Oh, no, I'm not doing that, mate. I'm not doing that, mate. Why not?

Now,

de- de- defend, defend your Paul, man. Defend your Bible, yeah?

Bruh, we are defending Paul by showing you

how your accusations against Paul actually work against Muhammad,

not Paul. You have a double standard that you cannot defend.

That was way too easy