Discussion on Israel-Palestine Conflict

We're agreed, we three are Jews, aren't we?

Are Jews.

We are.

We're agreed.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah, we're agreed.

Yeah.

The complete decimation of a whole area.

When you see these aerial shots, nearly every single building is

flattened. The justification for bombing every single

building.

W- where, where, where is that? I mean, I just-

Yeah

... I can't even find it in the normal sort of

justifications bit.

It's so huge.

Some people living in the tents, and then they fire, they sh-

they send drones-

They queue-

... and bombs on the tents.

They queue for food, and they're bombed queuing for food.

Shot, yes.

How is that possible?

You don't protest against this, if you are neutral on this, then fuck you.

You're not a, you're not human.

You're not hu- you're not human. No.

They say, "Look, Iran is trying to get-"

Yeah

... "nuclear weapons." "Excuse me, Israel, have you got nuclear weapons?" "That's

another matter. We can't answer that question." "Iran, are you, uh,

do you let

international inspectors come in and see whether..." "Yes, yes,

we do." "Israel, do

you allow international inspectors to see whether you've got nuclear weapons?" "No,

we don't."

I don't believe in a Jewish state.

I just don't.

Mm.

I think that people who live there, live there.

Well, that's the transgressive bit.

That's the bit you see that y- in the Constitution.

It says, "The Jewish state is for the self-determination of the

Jewish

people."

Yeah, well, I don't accept that.

And that's what they've-

And I think that should be

struck out.

Yeah.

Struck out. Not-

Yeah, you're draw- redrawing the map and saying, this could be a secular state-

Of course

... in which everybody, everybody could live.

But you see, it's quite interesting, you know, when we're challenged

and they say,

"Do you believe that the State of Israel should exist?

Yes, no, quick answer." And I w- I often say, "Well, no state has the

right to exist. It doesn't exist as a thing in United

Nations

international law." And ironically, just right at this very moment,

there's Lebanon, that's a state, and Israel is taking over

a chunk of that state, so clearly the state of Lebanon doesn't

have the right

to exist, and yet Israel says, "We have the right to exist."

When you go to Israel, and you see, as I, I went

in 2012 was the last time I was there, and you

see how Palestinians are treated.

Mm-hmm.

That, for me, was the door opening,

the, the, the, the blind being lifted, and I saw

if people can treat people like that, they are

shits, and th- what they do and say

cannot be accepted, cannot be believed.

I saw it with my own eyes, and I will never

get over that, and that's when I became fiercely

pro-Palestinian.

Extraordinary thing.

The whole conduct of, of Israel

since its founding has been disgraceful.

Yeah.

Absolutely disgraceful.

Yeah.

And where are people's, where is people's morality?

Well-

I, I, I, I think that, uh, the Christian

communities in, in America

are utterly disgraceful.

To me-

What I want to know is how can,

um, let us, let me say British Jews,

how can they accept the, the, the

cruelty, the, the, the sh- the, the wickedness of

what's being done?

Far be it from me-

How, how can they?

Because they say needs must and the ends justify the means.

But how can they accept that?

No, means justify the ends, whichever way around.

How can they accept that?

Unjustified. See-

To me, that's disgusting.

I mean-