Discussion on Law Enforcement and Public Trust

And can I just bring it back to the fundamentals for-

Sure

... for one second and bring down the temperature?

'Cause you all seem kind of angry about it.

I'm-

I'm very angry about his death.

I'm sad too, and I'm not gonna be defensive about

saying that the onus is entirely on the authorities

that we pay for, the entire law enforcement system that

we tolerate-

Mm

... at the expense of our freedoms,

and then they give us a, a narrative that just is full of anomalies,

full of questions. They don't bother satisfying any of them.

They're the ones that, as you indicated, they c- they, they create

this distrust,

and then people are mad that-

There's never a trial in which all the evidence is,

is released to the public

before the trial.

And that's definitely the-

Oh, uh, yet people have maintained they were.

I mean, you, you are definitely not mentioning

that a lot of people have said,

quote, "There was 4K video of this guy-

Yeah

... taking a shot."

That's true.

"You can see the pores in his face."

No, that, that, that, that's a-

I watched several people-

That's a mischaracterization-

No, that's not true

... of actually what was said.

But there's multiple-

No, Jack said it. Jack said the video.

I saw Jack say that.

Jack said it.

Jack Tosobek was talking about-

I saw three separate press conferences where they-

I'm friends with Jack, so I'm not even calling-

But he, he said it.

But he said, no, no, no. Yes, he did.

No, he did not.

He said, "I saw him take the shot."

No, he did not.

Puck it, he did say that.

"I saw what time it was."

But it wasn't, he did say take the shot.

He did say, he did say-

He certainly did say

... he did say that, "I saw him take the shot," and, and,

and I timed-

And it lined up with the time.

So-

With cameras, high-quality cameras.

Sure.

And you're saying they've got pictures of this guy who may or may not be, he's

wearing the same clothes, looks like Tyler, but they have no clear

image? He gave a 12-minute press conference

outside the hearing.

He said he saw the shot.

And said, "I saw it in incredible 4K detail."

Well, no, when he mentioned 4K-

Crystal clear detail that lines up with the time

... when he mentioned 4K, it was specific to-

He most certainly did

... it was specific to the shot.

No, I, I, I've seen what he saw.

I wonder why the video has been degraded intentionally.

Yeah, I-

But couldn't we measure Ty-

Why, why would that video not be enhanced?

If, if-

Oh, but that might be angry

... if the aim was clarity-

No, it's fine. But real quickly, Gavin

... if the aim was to identify someone-

It completely defies physics

... I saw Matt Tardio on TPUSA, and I saw an interview with John Bray.

John Bray was so much more articulate-

Okay

... so much more in command-

I mean, it's the best-

... so much more convincing

... counter in the song.

Matt Tardio was not convincing at all to me.

I'm not a ballistics expert, and I don't need to be.

Sure.

I really applaud you for having this series, but I actually push back

respectfully and say, in this case, it's not fair to call it, like, a

conspiracy theory deal. I think of this as

basic truth,

simple deduction. Like, this does not feel or smell right,

this story about what happened to Charlie.

We haven't even talked about all the foreknowledge.

We've got famous Harrison Smith sitting here.

Sure, same.

There's a lot of weird stuff too.

Right? I mean, there's a lot of people predicting

that Charlie was gonna be killed.

There are all sorts of elements-

Who, who, who were the, who were

... and weird anomalies on the day that he was killed.

But who, who were the people?

Harrison.

Pardon?

Charlie.

Harrison.

Well, Charlie wouldn't have spent-

Well, there are lots of people online who

were predicting that he was gonna be

killed.

No, but Charlie, Charlie wouldn't have spent millions of

dollars on security.

All the weird anomalies that were surrounding this.

I mean-

The other day with, with campus-

Well, I have, I've had one my whole life. I've got a ton of guns.

Sure.

And I've got a .38/6, and it's got, and I don't even shoot it 'cause I don't

like

it, and I don't do a l- I don't do anything, bird hunting-

Sure

... or clay targets, whatever, but I've had this gun my whole life.

I do not shoot it very often. I know this, I could not fit it down my trousers and

walk around a campus with it, and then I could not pull it out with a

scope,

lay down, take a shot at 160 yards. Come on, I'm actually s-

really skeptical you keep bringing up Egyptian planes.

Maybe there were, maybe there weren't.

God, that every single-

It was claimed. But if you would, Gavin, if you-

You said you were called Zion- wait, let me finish this point really quickly

'cause

it, it dovetails-

Okay

... with what Gabby just said.

You said you've been called a Zionist. I guess you've been called a Zionist too.

I've got a pretty small account on X, and I've just asked questions.

I've never attacked anybody at Turning Point.

I've attacked the FBI a few times, and I've attacked the narrative,

which to me is

obvious bullshit, and every single person I know thinks it's

obvious bullshit.

So that's it. Nothing really out of the ordinary.

I've asked questions.

What about the narrative that's bullshit?

Wait, really quickly.

Yeah.

I have been swarmed to a degree that's, like,

overwhelming. I'm talking hundreds of hundreds of l-

tiny little bot

accounts and people who are clearly paid.

That's weird.

And every single one of them is a Zionist.

Every single one of them is pro-war, and they all call me a Jew hater,

or they call

me an anti-Semite.

The thing is-

For asking questions about Charlie Kirk's death

... well, for, here's, here's the, the, but the correlation-

Where is, what's the correlation there? They're very well paid to do that.

That's obvious.

Gabby just demonstrated that the-

I, I was-

For this to have been, been performed as it was, it's going to

require a state actor, at least one, probably two.

Okay.

It's gonna h- it's gonna require the complicity of the

US government,

obviously. So-

No.

Are we ever gonna have evidence? No.

So let, let, let, let's say that's true. Let's say that's true.

But, but if, let me just finish my point really

quickly.

Yeah.

Because n- no one's ever mentioned it beyond you

accu- you being accused of a

Zionist, me being accused as a Jew hater just

because I'm simply questioning the

narrative.

Charlie was under a tremendous amount of pressure.

Charlie was, as you said, David, very influential with the younger

Americans. There is a split between younger Americans

and boomers

on Israel, on Israel's influence in America,

and how much

they wield. It is overwhelming, younger Americans are saying,

"Enough of this nonsense. Let's focus on America and America's many

problems. Let's not go to war for another country.

Let's not be influenced by Israel." That is

definite. Charlie had a huge amount of influence

among those people.

He'd been a well-documented Zionist for his entire career.

Then he'd started having legitimate questions that he expressed-

All, all of that's true

... to all sorts of people.

I grant all-

But it's really fucking important, excuse my language.

No.

And then weeks before he died, he gets pulled

into, uh, you know, a struggle session at Bill

Ackman's house with Josh Hammer, with, uh, Seth Dillon, and

all these other people who were aggressive Zionists,

pro-war Zionists.

BB gets called. They offer him money, or they don't.

Yeah, sure.

But Charlie turns it down. You're dismissing it as

if it's not important.

No, I'm, I'm saying it's not evidence.

But it's hugely important.

It's, so, like-

It's so important that you didn't even mention it

when you're mentioning all these

other foreign actors.

Because it's not evidence of an act.

You don't even mention it.

It's not evidence of an act.

Well, I will say this-

You don't need an evidence of an...

It's, it's-

So let's-

Here's the evidence.

Let's, let's, let's grant-

Wait, wait. Hold on a second.

No, I don't know. I don't know if that was-

So hold on. Let's grant all that. Let's, let's say that the United States was

complicit in, I guess, them, the French Foreign Legion-

Okay

... and, and-

Mossad.

No, I don't, I mean, but the-

So they do work together

... but they all work together.

No, I appreciate-

I'm just saying it's hugely relevant. How could it not be?

Well, it's relevant, but when all things relevant-

And then our country is now going into another American

destroying-

It's re- it's relevant. It will be relevant.

Uh, yeah, he was, he was murdered in public.

And if you have to pull out Tyler, okay, real quick, what was Tyler Ronald's

motive?

He was murdered in public.

But real quick.

That's a fact.

And then shortly thereafter, Donald Trump betrayed his base,

betrayed his

country, betrayed what he'd said for over a decade-

Do you have any evidence of an act of an Israeli actor-

... and took us to war on Iraq

... or any, any other agent?

So I think that's pretty compelling evidence.

We don't have evidence to be the-