Discussion on Gender Identity and Media

Well, I'd like to think so, and I think there

are some other positive signs too

that, uh, things are shifting. Um, when you see the media

starting to say trans women are men, then I think we really, we really

are winning.

But Emma Watson was careful, wasn't she-

Mm

... not to go too far. I think what she's going to find now is

you can't sit on the fence. She was a real cheerleader for

Mermaids, the charity, and for transitioning children,

and for people knowing who

they are.

There's also kind of a not... There's that clip of her at the BAFTAs, and it was

just kind of like a really snidey, there's that bit where she says,

"I'm here for

all the wi-," like, but, but one.

But one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was just nasty.

Yeah. Uh-

Where, uh, right when J.K. Rowling was getting a lot of-

Yeah

... you know, rape threats, death threats.

So, I, I... Whether she is, is trying to row back from that

full-hearted-

Mm

... support for transitioning children, or whether she's just trying to get back

in

with J.K. Rowling in the hope of work, who knows?

Richard Dawkins is an interesting case because, you know, I'm sure when he wrote

The God Delusion, he thought that was quite out there.

Turns out that saying men can't become women is even more out there, and, and who

would have thought that? But he is someone whose career

is so established that he- he's not at any risk.

The real win is when ordinary people can say those things.

Mm.

And I don't think we're quite there yet