Debate on Gaza Conflict and Casualties

Can I just respond to something you've just...

Uh, well, I'll respond if, if, uh, if you let me,

to what you just said there.

You've, you just said babies were put in ovens on 7th of October.

Why lie like that? You know that's a lie.

I'm not lying.

You know that never happened.

I'm not lying.

You know that never happened. You know not, not a single ba- one baby,

which was a

crime.

There's firsthand witness evidence of it

Let me finish. No, no, no. You had a long spiel,

and now I'm gonna fact correct you

because you can't just come on a show like this-

You don't, d- you don't do facts

... I know Pier- I know Piers likes accuracy

You don't do genocide facts

I li- I know he likes accuracy in these

discussions.

No babies were put in an oven on 7th of October.

One baby was killed-

That's not true

... on October 7th, which was bad enough. That's Mila Cohen.

She was eight months old. She was shot through the door of a safe room.

That's the baby who was killed on 7th of October.

That's a crime in itself.

If that's a crime, which I say it is, by the way, what is the cr-

how to describe

1,000 babies, 1,000 infants under the age of one

killed in Gaza by Israel since 7th of October and over

20,000 children?

It's horrific and Hamas is morally and legally culpable under the broad

international law theory.

Now just to qui- just to respond to what you just said

about genocide, I understand

that you're a big fan of Donald Trump.

I don't often quote Donald Trump approvingly, let's put it mildly.

Last year, he said, and I quote, "A civilization has been wiped out in

Gaza." Now if I were to say, to demand, that a

civilization was wiped out in Israel-

He didn't say it

... which I ne- yes he did

He was threatening Iran-

Yes he did

... in trying to get a ceasefire in April.

No, no, no, no. Sorry.

He was talking about Iran, not Gaza

Sorry. Again-

That's not... You're totally wrong on this

... I'm sorry to fact correct you again, but he did say, quote, this is a verbatim

quote, he said, "The civilization has been wiped out in

Gaza," and he's absolutely

right. Nearly every freestanding stru- every structure-

It's literally not true

... has been damaged or destroyed

He was threatening Persia, Iran

Almost every hospital-

A lot of people are critical of that context

... every hospital has been attacked, every school's been attacked.

Most homes are b- have been destroyed.

Um, well over 100,000 people have been

violently killed according to every

reputable, uh, study.

Also not true. It's closer to 50, 60,000 civilians

And genocide, according to the Genocide Convention,

it means any of the following

acts committed with the intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethnic,

or racial, or religious group.

And that definition fails

And that includes deliberately inflicting-

It's... There's no intent-

... on the group conditions of life calculated

to bring about its physical

destruction-

... to obliterate all of the Arabs of Gaza

... in whole or in part.

There's no intent. It fails on its own terms.

Now I would just note quickly-

This is so obvious

... okay, I would just note with you because you

are a supporter of genocide, and I

will make that very clear.

I am not.

You said about the Is- about the Palestinian population of Gaza,

you said

this is a radicalized population that deserves shame-

It is

... dis- scorn and diplomatic rebuke. You weren't talking about Hamas.

They deserve all of that.

You were talking about the Palestinian population of Gaza. That's what you said.

You also said large swathes of Gaza should resemble a parking lot-

Most radicalized population on planet Earth according to every single public

metric

... in October 2023. You also called for the population

transfer of the people, the

survivors of Gaza into other Arab states.

You want Palestinians removed from Gaza.

You don't want Palestinians to remain in Gaza. That's what you called for.

You also called for the military occupation-

I never explicitly called for that, but I think it is a perfectly reasonable

option

... or formal reoccupation of Gaza.

By the way, Donald Trump also publicly floated in

February 2025-

Did you say that?

I never actually-

Did you, did you-

... personally came out emphatically in favor

of that, though.

That's, that, that's simply not true

Did you say... As- sorry, did you, did you or did you not,

I'm quoting from what

you said, did you not call for the population

transfer of the people of Gaza?

No. I, I, I ne- I ne- I... First of all, I think it's a very reasonable option.

By the way, there's a, there's a very long history of,

of American presidents going

literally back to the Hoover and Coolidge administrations

that actually supported

that. I've actually never explicitly endorsed

that myself.

You, you did. I've looked it up.

No, I, I have not

You called for the pop- you, you said population transfer.

Don- Donald Trump in February 2025 in the White

House proposed this, by the way.

Yes, and you backed it.

He proposed this. And no, what I said is that, uh, I mean, uh, I, I-

You backed it

... listen, I don't know what it, whether your IQ is two or three standard

deviations below the mean, but the way the negotiation works-

No, no, I'm just quoting what you said

... you start, you, you start... No, but you need to learn a thing or two about

negotiation. You start with a-

Ethnic cleansing

... far out there claim, and then you arrive at a reasonable place

moderation.

Donald Trump did this. It was-

Sorry

... his proposal-

Yeah

... to, to float the idea of population transfer.

It, it, yeah, it's ethnic cleansing.

But by the way, a pair of, apparently no-

It's called ethnic cleansing