Debate on Occupation and Genocide

You take one side completely.

Just like you do in Ukraine?

Right. N- yes.

Yeah?

Yeah.

So I'm consistent. I take the side of the Ukrainian people

under occupation and the

Palestinian people under occupation. I'm consistent, Piers.

No, you're not.

I am.

They're, they're totally different situations.

Well, that's ... You have to say that 'cause you're not consistent.

And you have to say what you say.

No, but I literally described it. Two peoples under foreign occupation.

Two peoples having their hospitals bombed. Two peoples having their kids killed.

Two people facing governments that say genocidal stuff. Yeah.

Mm.

I'm consistent.

One is a democracy and an ally of the West-

Says you

... and one is not.

Oh, ally of the West. What a little slip in there.

What's that got to do with anything? So allies of the West get to be genocidal?

No.

Why did you say ally of the West? Why is that relevant?

I don't believe, I don't believe what they're doing in

Gaza-

So if Russia was an ally of the West-

No, no

... they could kill people in Ukraine?

I don't believe what they're-

Wow

... doing in Gaza is genocide. You do. I don't.

Well-

Genocide is the complete-

Put genocide to one side

... destruction of a people

Whether, whether we agree or not on genocide ... And, and it

is genocidal.

It's not genocide.

You just said they're your ally of the West. Why is that relevant?

I think it's important that you support your allies.

So if you're an ally of the West, you get to kill kids?

No. You get support-

So why is it relevant?

You support your-

You're making my point for me, Piers.

You support-

I'm consistent

... you support your-

I don't care whether you're an ally of the West-

No, Mehdi, Mehdi

... or an enemy of the West.

Fine.

I care about what you do.

Yes.

And Russia and Israel are both committing-

Yes

... war crimes.

Mehdi,

here's my point. You are so blindly anti-Israel that you

frame everything-

I could say the same thing about Russia

... everything ... I'm very blindly against Russia, yes.

Okay, so then again, so you're consistent.

Are, are you not?

I'm con- exactly. I'm consistent.

I'm blindly anti occupying Ru-

Mm. Mm

... Russia that occupies Ukraine.

Mm.

And I'm blindly anti an Israel that occupies Gaza. By the way, one ...

another area I'm consistent is I do think both wars need to come to an

end.

Mm.

And they're gonna come to an end through some sort of negotiation.

How? How?

I don't believe in prolonged conflict.

How?

I don't know. I'm not a negotiator.

What's the negotiation in Ukraine?

I don't believe there's a, I don't believe there's a military

solution to either

conflict.

Give me the solution in Ukraine.

I don't have one. Do you have a military solution?

No.

I don't think there is one.

We can't possibly give Putin what he's taken.

No, I agree.

So how do you do it?

I don't know, but I don't think the military continuing

helps.

I mean, how do you win militarily? I don't know how that works either.

Would you have said that in World War II?

What do you mean?

When the Nazis were trying to take over the world.

No, there was a plausible plan to win, wasn't there, when the US came in?

Just to, just to fight them.

And there were no nuclear weapons back then, Piers, as you know.

Okay, but do you think Putin would ever use

them?

Do you not think he would use them?

No. Why would he?

I don't-

He's not an Islamic fundamentalist-

Okay

... who wants to blow himself up.

Oh, that's a very racist thing to say, Piers.

It's not.

You're saying only Muslims wanna use nuclear weapons.

No. I said Islamic-

What? Why would Putin not wanna use them?

I didn't say Muslim, I said Islamic fundamentalist.

What, what's, what's ... Why is it Islamic fundamentalists?

What's the connection?

Because Islamic fundamentalists kill themselves-

But they-

... to get what they want.

But they haven't used nukes. The only people who have used nukes in

history are the

United States of America.

You're missing my point deliberately and you, you playing the-

No, because I just find it a weird-

And you're playing the race card stupidly.

You play, you play weird asides, Piers.

You're, you're bringing in Western allies-

I'm answering your question about what, whether I thought Russia would use nukes.

No, because you don't-

But the only people who would are Islamic fundamentalists-

They, they do not perha-

... Western said

... he does not think like an Islamic

fundamentalist, where they will kill

themselves to get their, their goals.

You know the United States of America used a nuclear weapon, Piers, right?

They're not Islamic fundamentalists.