Discussion on Conspiracy Theories and Politics

A tremendous campaign was launched in, uh, December of

1960- Right ... uh, to move to discredit the John Birch

Society, and frankly, launched, uh, initial orders coming out of Moscow.

Well, uh, Mr. McDonald, I'm not a conspirator.

Uh, I think even Buchanan would vouch for

that.

Uh, but- Well, you are a member of the Council on Foreign

Relations. You're a- ...

uh, Robert, Robert Welch, Robert Welch... No, I don't think so.

Yeah, I'm a member of the Council on Foreign

Relations. Is that a conspiracy?

And you, well, you have certainly.

Well, it- Let me just tell you what Newsweek says

that, says this, "The John Birch

Society considers communism only one arm of a

national, of a master conspiracy in which socialist American

insiders are plotting to establish world government."

Now, it also says, and here's Director John McManus,

that's your public

relations director,

saying that former Secretary of State Alexander Haig and

CIA Director William Casey are two of these

master conspirators who are plotting to establish world

government.

Now, what do you s- uh, you know, that kind of silly, asinine statement is

what makes pe- makes people laugh that's the John Birch

Society.

Well, Tom, I'm sure being a longstanding member of

the Rockefeller

apparatchik,

uh, and as a member of the Council on Foreign

Relations of longstanding,

you're fully aware that you, there is an elitist core in this country that

has seen value in subsidizing communism or

protecting communism. It has? Sure.

You're accusing me of subsidizing communism? No, no.

I'm saying that there is a- Because I happen to belong to a, to a- No,

there is an

elite core ... foreign policy study group? Not that... No, no. Wait a minute.

There is an elite core in this country that has dominated American

society. Well, I'm not one of them. Well, let me finish. Trilateral Commission?

The Trilateral Commission- Council on Foreign Relations ...

Council on Foreign Relations. And here's a group-

The Council on Foreign Relations

was- Well, let's face it. They've dominated the State Department for

40 years, and,

uh, pretty much openly so. All right, but what are they trying to do,

Congressman

McDonald? Well, their objective is to try to bring about a gradual

transition in our society, a

dissolving of sovereignty, and a moving steadily to the left on the

political spectrum. Well, who are they? This is the belief.

The elitist groups that I mentioned, particularly key individuals and

policymakers in the Council on Foreign Relations- Is the International Monetary

Fund part of this?

Well, I would say the International Monetary

Fund has certainly been set up for the

purpose of facilitating that transfer of sovereignty and

transfer of wealth on the road to world government. All right, we elected Mr.

Conservative. Let me just finish the point-

All right ...

because otherwise we're gonna have a lot of un- unanswered questions.

That you are looking at a group that has worked to bring about a

dissolution of national sovereignties on the road to world government.

And certainly, uh, you're familiar with, uh, local Professor Carroll Quigley, who

has been part of your club, in which he admitted all this.

And he said in his book, Tragedy and Hope, "The only thing I disagree is that we've

worked to keep it a secret." And you see Arthur Schlesinger Jr.

writing way back in 1947, says, "Yes, this is the hidden policy

of America. But we can't tell the American public

because they're too

unsophisticated to see the value." Who, what is the instrumentality of world

government? Arthur Schlesinger Jr. wrote it.

What is the instrumentality through which- That statement is like, of all the

things you say about Arthur, that's the silliest statement I ever

heard. No.

He never made anything like that. Well, let me suggest that you read the May/June

issue of the Partisan Review of 1947, Tom, and you can read it for yourself.

It's called The Schlesinger Manifesto.

Well, that's the statement that said there was a conspiracy? Oh.

A conspiracy to promote communism? Oh, he didn't use the word...

Oh, he didn't use the word conspiracy.

I think Count- He said the objective was to bring about communism.

Well, what kind of nonsense is this? Well, let me finish. I'll, I'll tell you.

He said that the objective, the secret policy,

which we can't tell the American

public because they're not sophisticated enough to see the value, is that through a

steady result of erosion of New Deals, we bring the American society

steadily to the left- All right ...

and through some concept of benign containment,

we merge into the vital center

of the socialist left. Those are his words, not mine.

All right, but let me ask you- Do you think John Kennedy

was a member of that

conspiracy? No, no. Let me ask you this.

You have people who are part of the elitist structure of this

country that have

dominated this country openly for 40 years. I know, but they're not...

Is that a conspiracy? Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute.

If people quietly working together for evil

objectives,

w- two or more, that by definition is a conspiracy.

Speaking of which, you probably got the- That's right.

Well, what I, what I ought to do is read more about conspiracies,

and that's why

I'm interested in what Mr. McDonald says about it.

Well, I'll tell you what you, what you ought to do is go back

and look at your

founder, Edward Mandell House, 'cause he wrote the book Philip Drew,

Administrator.

In this- And then what? ... Colonel House said

that what he envisioned for the

world was a world government along socialist lines as

envisioned by Karl Marx. Now, that's, that's your leader- Uh-huh ...

uh, Tom, so you gotta go back to the beginning

and deal with him.

Well, his leader was Woodrow Wilson. Do you think he was a communist

conspirator?

No, I think Woodrow Wilson, uh, was his follower.

Uh, I think Edward Mandell House dominated

Wilson, not the other way around.

Mm-hmm. And, uh, so Edward Mandell House, uh, that was, uh, we ought to

make that clear. He was- Colonel House ...

President Wilson's p- uh, principal advisor. Al- alter ego.

That's correct.

Yeah. Uh, so he is the, he is the real villain from

which all these conspiracies, uh- No, no, no, no. ... descend?

He is a major figure, Tom. But there is, has been, unfortunately,

in the West,

uh, an element. Uh, there are good members in the Council on Foreign

Relations,

dedicated patriotic people. You've had Sproul Braden, who

was a member of the

Council, the Birch Society- Bill Buckley's a member ...

and Council on Foreign Relations.

You've got some dedicated people, but the driving forces have very clearly

been willing to collaborate, subsidize, work for technology transfer for what

they feel is some type of an accommodation and merger.

And I, I submit this would be a disaster for the

American Republic.

Are there any in Congress? Sure