Debate on Free Speech and Controversial Figures

For anyone who claims to be a free speech person, a free speech

absolutist, who's going along with what Randy Fine

wants to do to

Jackson Hinkle over his speech, uh, doesn't actually believe in our

constitutional

rights. It's that simple.

Jackson Hinkle, he's got a pretty big-

Mm-hmm

... following. Um, so he was... I'm a free speech

absolutist, so I, um, I think everyone should have the right to

say whatever they

want. Now, Jackson always takes it a step too far.

That's just the way he does things, and he's got an incredible, incredibly big

following.

And I remember one day he came on a debate of, uh, I had him debate someone

else who's pro-Israel. The first thing Jackson came on and said,

he

said, um, "Hamas should have nuclear weapons." That,

that was the argument he's

making, and the guy, his opponent just lost his mind,

was yelling.

But, um, so he did something, and I've, I've... I don't know why.

Not many people are talking about it. I've been thinking a lot about it.

I remember it now because Randy Fine was passing a bill to try to

get, um,

um, Jackson arrested and charged with, uh, treason, which

is punishable by death. Which obviously-

What about-

... is stupid and too far.

Well, Mike Huckabee-

Randy should be, Randy should be Randy should be-

No, no, no

... should be, uh, charged with treason.

No. Look, I, I find Randy Fine absolutely disgusting,

vile, right? But I don't think he's done anything that

amounts to treason. Okay? Like, i- if, if there is

an example of-

Passing the ND- Passing Section 224 is getting close

... Well, two... Well, 224 is definitely getting close,

and I think any lawmaker

that voted in favor of it, they renamed it to 219, um,

should immediately be, at the very least, voted out of office.

But putting that aside, I mean, the real traitor

here is Mike Huckabee, who met with Jonathan

Pollard-

Yeah

... a notorious traitor to the United States,

worked for our

CIA, sold our secrets to the Israelis, served 20 years in prison as

a result of that, uh, and then was paroled by Obama,

which I'll never forgive him for that, and allowed to fly to

Israel under Trump's first term.

Huckabee met with him,

uh, without even advi- advising with the White House,

letting anyone

know about it. Why? Why did you have to meet with a well-known

traitor to the

United States, who, by the way, has threatened to use

nuclear weapons against the United States?

So I, I, I mean, we're, we're gonna have a conversation about

traitors?

That's like the American ambassador to Iraq or Afghanistan meeting with Osama bin

Laden after 9/11.

Yeah, I just, it's-

It's the only comparison I can think of

... it's so gross.

Um-

And, and look, in, in regard to Hinkle, um, what-

Yeah, do... So what... You know what he did in Iran?

He went there and started-

I do. Yeah

... uh, uh, shouting, "Down with the USA." Thousands repeated

the same thing.

Now, he offered context that before that they were talking about criticizing

the

American leadership, and the reason I ask you about this

is obviously you're really

upset with America's leadership.

You're upset with what the US has done around the world.

So I want to ask you is whether you think Jackson took it too

far there.

Um, uh, I think that, I don't know if I would say he took it too far.

I mean, the context does matter. I would've been a lot more

careful in messaging so Americans don't think you

hate our country and its people, and I don't think he does.

I do think he loathes our government.

He doesn't.

Right. I, I-

Yeah

... I do think he loathes our government.

I loathe our government, and, um, I think he is in his right to say whatever

he

wants to say about how loathsome our government is.

Uh, that being said, even if I vehemently disagreed with what he

was saying,

um, I am also someone who believes in

protecting free speech,

and the point of protecting free speech is

to do it when someone is saying something that you don't like,

right? That's when your actual values are being tested, and for

anyone who claims to be a free speech person, a free speech absolutist,

who's going along with what Randy Fine wants to do to Jackson Hinkle over his

speech, uh, doesn't actually believe in our

constitutional rights.

It's that simple.