Public Opinion on Israel's Actions

You know, you've been accused of being a war

criminal, that if you went to go to

several countries in Europe, you're going to get arrested.

This is not just mad campus radicalism. This is a feeling around the world.

You said it yourself to us just now, in public opinion around the world,

Israel is

doing very poorly, and it's doing very poorly because people

see a country that is

behaving in a way that is not compatible with being a liberal

democracy.

And therefore, I think you have a problem.

I think that loss of public opinion, what struck me from your autobiography

was how

subtly and for how long you have understood this.

You know that political power comes from public opinion.

You know that you need to win the battle of public opinion, and you're losing it.

You've absolutely lost it in Europe, but much more worryingly for you, you're

losing it in America. Israel is behaving in a way that we think is

incompatible with the kind of liberal democracy that you claim to be.

Well, the liberal democracies, the ideas, the values that we cherish, uh, exactly

as you do-

But the problem is that it really isn't just extreme

radicals.

There are-

I didn't say that

... huge numbers of people who are concerned about Israel's behavior,

frankly, including people like me.