Discussion on Technology and Utopia

Are these companies

so incentivized to... 'Cause we hear a lot

of the utopian talk, the kind of-

Yeah

... you know, "We're altruistic, man.

We're doing this for society."

Yep.

But what we see is it's really

they've strip mined the entirety of human

accomplishment

for their models,

which is our proprietary information, and created

systems that we're not allowed to see into because it's their proprietary

information.

Yeah.

And they've created really dangerous...

That could ultimately end up hurting us, and we have no,

we have no skin in the game as far as, uh,

compensation, and we only have peril except for some

future utopian they say is coming soon.

Yeah.

Well, I am a, I am a believer in the, the future utopia, and I'm happy to

discuss it. Um,

yeah.

Of course. So I heard you talking about jobs,

and I think, like, there will be no

jobs.

I mentioned them.

Yep.

They came up.

Yeah, there, there won't be jobs in this world. Um,

I'm gonna raise it.

This is the world that is being envisioned by the people building

the technology.

I'm gonna discuss it, and, like, I think it's...

Whether or not it's a good world is up for people to think about. But yes,

no jobs.

Universal high income.

Essentially-

How?

Well, the dividends from entirely automated

economic production

can be distributed among, among real humans.

So it's... We- we'll all be just performing in a play.

Well, we won't ha-

In other words, they'll build systems to create

food-

Yep

... then give us money.

We need-

And then we'll go to that place and give it money.

That money they'll then give back to us to give...

It's basically just a circle jerk.

Is that, is that, like, the utopia?

Yeah, it's one big beautiful circle jerk. Yeah.

That's the first porn movie I ever saw.

So I'm wondering,

is there... Forget about safety.

Mm.

Is there anyone saying, "You know, this may be a recipe

for dystopia"?

Yep.

And that how will people feel...

When people my age retire,

they often die

because they're no longer connected to purpose.

Yeah.

And I don't understand

what they think is going to replace

that, or even if they talk about it.

Yeah. I think this is a really difficult issue.

Yes.

And, I mean, with respect, you have a job that brings you a lot of

purpose, and you

really clearly enjoy. And

I also enjoy my job-

Yes

... but it, there are many people that don't, is my rough understanding.

And to speak to my personal experience, when I, when I was younger,

things I would-

Yes

... want to do would maybe be I wanted to be a

zoologist, or I wanted to think

about history, this sort of stuff.

Right.

Just my personal background. And then I ended up doing computer,

computer stuff and

tech because of the need to-

Right

... you know, make money. So from my personal experience,

I would perhaps have been happy to forfeit-

Right

... meaning for being able to satisfy

other, other drives that I have. And I think, you know,

not everyone derives

meaning from the thing that pays the bills.

But that's their decision to make.

Exa- exactly. It is.

Not... That's not-

And that's-

... Elon Musk's decision.

No, not at all.

But that is the decision-

That's the decision individuals make. Yes.

And I would also say, like,

it's not necessarily that it's pleasurable,

it's that it also is a way of... There's a circadian

rhythm to life,

that when you remove that belonging, even if

it's just merely, um, routine. And you

may say, like, "Oh, we can find

new routines," but I feel like they're burying that

really dangerous theory

under a mountain of utopian bullshit.