Discussion on Race and Identity

Well I identify as black so there's that.

Are you black? You don't look very black.

I identify as black.

What does that mean?

I identify as black.

That's just, I'm gonna label myself black because I want to.

But you're not black?

What is black? What is black?

What is black though? You're like filling out an application.

Yeah. Right, like a school or something like that.

What would you check in like the race or ethnicity box?

Black, if black's available.

Interesting.

Well you check a woman, you're a man?

Race and gender are two different things.

They're both biological so how can you check a different sex

but I can't check a different ethnicity?

Neither sex nor gender is biological.

Sex is biological.

XXXY chromosomes are one or the other.

You can't change your sex.

So you're saying you can change your gender or your sex

but you can't change your race?

Yeah, they're different.

They're not different, they're both biological.

So again, neither gender nor race are biological.

So then if neither are, then I can identify as black.

No problem. You just said it's not biological so then it's not.

Yeah, but race and gender are two different things.

is kind of like a false equivalency.

There are two different things but both rooted in biology,

but if you can change one you can change the other.

So then you can change your race on a dime.

Just because it's not biological doesn't mean you can change it.

Of course you can, if it's not biological then I can change it,

that it's literally just whatever I want it to be.

It's about what you are,

it's about like the ethnic background by which you are identified

by the state you exist within.

Identified by the state?

What if the state doesn't identify it?

Well race is a structure upheld by the state.

But let's say there's a state that doesn't uphold that,

then what?

Then there wouldn't be race.

Okay so let's say I live in a state that doesn't talk about race,

they don't ask you about race,

then I can identify as black in that state?

Well you wouldn't identify as anything, right?

Because there's no race.

But I could, I just don't have to mark it on a form,

but I could go in public and say, someone asked me...

Race is a legal construct as imposed by the state.

Like if you were to exist within a state,

and a world, hypothetically,

that did not impose race upon somebody based on the color of their skin,

then you would have no concept of race in general.

Of course you would, people would identify with different races,

ethnicities, people identify as different things, right?

Just because the state doesn't say it, doesn't mean I can't believe it,

and I can't assert it.

No, you're misunderstanding me.

You're misunderstanding me again.

So you're biologically male, but you can change your sex identification

without changing anything about you, your genitals, any of that.

Change your gender.

you're now you're trying to conflate gender and sex

let's go with sex it's a

biological and so what I'm saying is

if you can change your sex you can change

your race race is whatever you want you could be mixed race right

and then you can identify with whichever one you want

I mean you can do whatever you want bro

I don't give a shit right

so why so you're trying to say that only you can change something

but other people can't only me

no only only only the transgenders are two separate constructs

yes then they're both biological again neither based in biology

so you're you're delusional and you think neither sex or gender are based in biology

that's crazy man of course it is

so how do they know what a male is and a female is at birth

so that's sex right okay

now you're confused confusing again let's go with sex

how do they know your sex

not saying conflating because you know so

is sex is sex biological is sex biological though

no shit dumbass okay

so it is you fucking idiot