Discussion on John Birch Society and Conspiracy

A tremendous campaign was launched in, uh, December of

1960-

Right

... uh, to move to discredit the John Birch

Society, and frankly, it launched,

uh, initially on orders coming out of Moscow.

Well, uh, Mr. McDonald, I'm not a conspirator.

Uh, I think even Buchanan would vouch for

that.

Uh, but, uh-

Well, you are a member of the Council on Foreign

Relations

... Robert, Robert Welch, Robert Welch... No, I don't think so.

Yeah, I'm a member of the Council on Foreign

Relations. Is that a conspiracy?

Yeah, you, well, you certainly...

Well, it-

Let me just tell you what Newsweek says that, says this, "The John Birch Society

considers communism only one arm of a national,

of a master conspiracy in which socialist American

insiders are plotting to establish world government."

Now, it also says, and here's Director John McManus,

that's your public

relations director,

saying that former Secretary of State Alexander Haig and

CIA Director William Casey are two of these

master conspirators who are plotting to establish world

government.

Now, what do you say? You know, that kind of silly, asinine statement is

what makes pe- makes people laugh that's the John Birch

Society.

Well, Tom, I'm sure being a longstanding member of

the Rockefeller

apparatchik,

uh, and as a member of the Council on Foreign

Relations of longstanding,

you're fully aware that you, there is an elitist core in this country that

has seen value in subsidizing communism, of

protecting communism.

It has?

Sure.

You're accusing me of subsidizing communism?

No, no. I'm saying that there is-

Because I happen to belong to a, to a-

No, there is an elite core

... foreign policy study group?

No, no. Wait a minute. There is an elite core in this country that has

dominated American society.

Well, I'm not one of them.

Well, let me finish.

Trilateral Commission.

The Trilateral Commission.

Council on Foreign Relations.

Council on Foreign Relations. Now, here's where-

They determine they suppose.

Well, let's face it, they've dominated the State Department for

40 years-

Mm-hmm

... and, uh, pretty much openly so.

All right, but what are they trying to do, Congressman McDonald?

Well, their objective is to try to bring about a gradual

transition in our society,

a dissolving of sovereignty, and a moving steadily to the

left on the political spectrum. That's their belief.

Well, who are they?

The elitist groups that I mentioned, particularly key individuals and

policymakers in the Council on Foreign Relations.

Is the International Monetary Fund part of this?

Well, I would say the International Monetary

Fund has certainly been set up for the

purpose of facilitating that transfer of sovereignty and

transfer of wealth on the road to something-

All right, we elected Mr. Conservative.

Let me just finish the point-

All right

... because otherwise we're gonna have a lot

of un- unanswered questions.

That you are looking at a group that has worked to bring about the

dissolution of national sovereignties on the road to world government.

And certainly, uh, you're familiar with, uh, local Professor Carroll Quigley, who

has been part of your club, in which he admitted all this.

And he said in his book, Tragedy and Hope, "The only thing I disagree is that we've

worked to keep it a secret." And you see Arthur Schlesinger Jr.

writing way back in 1947, says, "Yes, this is the hidden policy

of America, but we can't tell the American public

because they're too

unsophisticated to see the value."

Who, what is the instrumentality of world

government?

Arthur Schlesinger, that statement is like-

What is the instrumentality through which-

... of all the things you say about Arthur,

that's the silliest statement I ever

heard.

No.

He never made anything like that.

Well, let me suggest that you read the May-June issue of the

Partisan Review of

1947, Tom, and you can read it for yourself.

It's called The Schlesinger Manifesto.

That's the place where he said there was a conspiracy?

Oh.

A conspiracy to promote communism?

Oh, he didn't use the word... Oh, he didn't use the word conspiracy.

I think Con-

He said the objective was to bring about-

Well, what kind of nonsense is this?

Well, let me finish. I'll, I'll tell you.

He said that the objective, the secret policy,

which we can't tell the American

public because they're not sophisticated enough to see the value, is that through a

steady result of erosion of New Deals, we bring the American society

steadily to the left-

All right

... and through a fine concept of benign

containment, we merge into the vital

center of the socialist left. Those are his words, not mine.

All right, John, let me ask-

You think John Kennedy was a member of that conspiracy?

No, no. Let me ask you this.

You have people who are part of the elitist structure of this

country, that have

dominated this country openly for 40 years.

I know, but they're not... Is that a conspiracy?

Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. If people quietly

working together for evil objectives, w- two or more, that

by definition is a conspiracy.

You're cheating a little bit.

That's right. You really got to-

Well, that's what I, what I ought to do is read more about conspiracies,

and that's

why I'm interested in what you can tell me facts about.

Well, I'll tell you what, what you ought to do is go back

and look at your founder,

Edward Mandell House, 'cause he wrote the book, Philip Drew,

Administrator.

And in this-

Colonel House

... Colonel House said that what he envisioned for the world

was a world government

along socialist lines as envisioned by Karl Marx.

Now, that's, that's your leader-

Uh-huh

... uh, Tom, so you gotta go back to the beginning to

see where it was.

Well, his leader was Woodrow Wilson. Do you think he was a communist

conspirator?

No, I think Woodrow Wilson, uh, was his follower.

Uh, I think Edward Mandell House dominated

Wilson, not the other way around.

Mm-hmm. And, uh, so Edward Mandell House, uh, now that was, uh, we ought to

make that clear. He was-

Colonel House

... President Wilson's patro-, uh, patronus.

Alter, alter ego. That's correct.

Yeah. Uh, so he is the, he is the real villain from

which all these conspiracies, uh-

No, no, no, no. He is a major-

... you can-

... figure, Tom. But there is, has been, unfortunately, in the West,

uh, an element. Uh, there are good members in the Council on Foreign

Relations,

dedicated patriotic people. You've had Sproul Braden, who

was a member of the

Council of the Birch Society-

Bill Buckley's a member

... and Council on Foreign Relations.

You've got some dedicated people, but the driving forces have very clearly

been willing to collaborate, subsidize, work for technology transfer for what

they feel is some type of an accommodation and merger.

And I, I submit this would be a disaster for the

American Republic.

Are there any in Congress?

Sure