Discussion on Trans Rights and Legislation

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Well, okay, we're gonna take this chair-

Oh.

Look at that.

Hey, Ben.

Like a bro, my friend. All right.

I'm a transgender man.

Okay.

I've experienced SA.

Okay.

And abortion rights affect me directly.

So

if we're talking about the American dream that you live-

So-

... why don't I have access to that?

Because there's no legislation,

what, in the history of America that legislates a man's body,

so why does mine have

to be legislated? I've got a vagina.

Um, I'm not interested in what your genitalia

are.

Clearly you are. I mean, it's all over everything you make, buddy.

Um, I'm, no, I'm-

I'm sorry. I hate to say it to you, but it's,

it's kind of obsession you guys have.

I think you can read on my face that I radically am not.

I think you can read on my face that I radically am not.

When we're talking about abortion, we-

No, I know. I mean, you can present it here,

but in most of the content that you

have, you attack my community constantly, and you don't even realize guys like me

exist, who actually share a lot of similarities

to you, and everything,

'cause I'm a married man of 20 years.

I'm, I recognize-

Got a wife

... that you exist. I disagree with your claim that you

are a male.

Right, so if I was sexually assaulted, right, and I didn't have access to that

abortion care, do you believe that I should have carried that ter,

that child to

term because I was sexually assaulted?

Well, I still have to... I mean, the, so-

No, I just wanna make sure that that's what you believe.

Because as a transgender man, I have seen your side of the entire

political debate never, ever having the conversation of what

an American freedom is, is 'cause why am I not allowed to live my

American freedom

as a man?

I'm-

You know? I mean, you get your choice-

As, as a man, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're-

... as a man to live and free and all that

... you're really, you're really moving around terminology

very wildly here.

And, is it-

And so are you, because that's the tactics you play

and your game.

I, I mean, the-

And you've done it the entire time. You jump from one subject to the next.

You speak so fast, and I know how you work,

so how's it feel to have it in your

face?

Well, I mean-

Hmm? Because I'm sick and tired of the shit

that you have put against my

community, especially Black trans women, because you constantly dis-

disregard all of our needs and then use us politically as a pawn

when we're 1% of

the population. Why not focus on the economy itself?

All of us are struggling, and you wanna focus on trans people.

You wanna focus on a Black woman when this is clearly a glass cliff

situation.

America's falling apart, and let's give it to a woman right

when it's all falling

apart, when we've had, what, 50 men run it, and it looks like shit.

Boo.

Look at where we're at.

Yeah!

Um, so-

Truly, where, where do you think that we're heading?

So-

I mean, it's so funny to watch, like-

You, you've been going for-

... white supremacy just fall apart the way

that it is, and you ride so hard.

Because guess what? In other countries around the world,

women are not having

children, and why is it? Because of the patriarchy

and all the violence that

men perpetuate, and all of this idea that abortion is somehow

gonna solve it all by forcing women to have abortion instead of focusing on the

real problems that we're facing in our society.

We're just gonna completely ignore that, and we're just gonna go, "You know what?

The line item is, let's make women have babies so

that we can continue this

capitalistic society that we have." Why are we doing that?

What? I mean, why? Because you wanna push white supremacy,

and because you wanna

make your check? It does great for you.

Meanwhile, people like me have to live with the

consequences of all of your

rhetoric that you put on a daily basis,

and including my entire community, and the intersectionalities of Black

women,

men that experience SA, trans people, everyone that

comes in. And I'm so sick of the idea that you can come in with this bravado,

that

you're this big guy that knows things 'cause you can talk

fast, you have

statistics. But really, what does it really matter at the end of

the day if you are

harming the entire American... Wha- This guy's been accused of

rape,

Trump,

in,

like, court documents, and you're backing the guy. Like,

you have children.

How could you do that to your own... Don't you have a daughter?

Like, what is wrong with you, dude?

Woo.

I've never seen such a party just completely dis- Like, the

American idea, what we believe in as a country,

is not what you're

perpetuating. It's diversity. It's giving me your tired, hungry,

and poor.

Okay, pause.

The Google phone you have in your pocket-

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... is because of all-

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... of the diversity we've had.

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Pleasure to meet you.

Thank you.