Speaker Defends Racial Realism and Recounts Conversation With Ye

from any Black people. Walk away from them.

Well, you know, you know what Ye told me? I'll tell you verbatim what he said.

He said, "So you use the N-word." I said, "Yeah." He goes, "Well, when niggas are being niggas."

I said, "So true. That's so true." Um, so they feel like they're in- What does that mean?

... complete agreement with me. What does that mean?

It means that even Black people know how Black people can behave.

Even Black people understand it, and they know that it doesn't come from a place of... And you used the word aversion, that's the first thing I'll, I'll actually dispute.

Okay. It's not an aversion on the basis of skin color because that, that would seem to suggest it's, um, like a stubborn, irrational bigotry.

I don't consider myself a bigot, I consider myself a racial realist.

I'm realistic about how the races are and, and I speak provocatively about it, and I speak provocatively about our tribalistic instincts and tendencies as human beings.

And, and I'm not a liberal ideologue that says that over time and with enough education we're all gonna see this great brotherhood where we're colorblind and everybody's the same.

You know, I don't think that's ever going away.

I think that race is real. It's not just skin deep. It matters to us and it matters to each other. And, um, and Black people know that, and Hispanics know that, and Asians know that. Uh, and, and people like me that, that have partial Mexican ancestry, we know that too.

Mm. And I think on that basis, we can have mutual respect and understanding.