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A book was published, I think in December 2020, by a, uh, astrophysicist called Haim Eshed.

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He was really the father of the Israeli, uh, space industry and, um, had been responsible for the early Israeli satellites.

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And in a book, um, Beyond the Horizon, which has only ever been published in Hebrew or Ivrit, uh, the last part of the book deals with, uh, his comments on UFOs, crashes, and what he's learned about the subject.

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And it was co-authored, in fact, by an Israeli journalist called, um, uh, Hana Yagai.

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And he then, at the same time, gave one interview, um, just prior to publication to an Israeli newspaper, and that interview went actually even further than the book and talked about agreements between the United States,

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uh, one or two other countries, and a federation called the, what he called the Galactic Federation.

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So basically, you have this very esteemed Israeli scientist talking about crashes, talking about, uh, the acknowledgment of, um, non-human intelligences, talking about agreements with terrestrial governments, and it was pretty astounding.

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And that interview, um, in the newspaper, uh, pretty much like David Grusch's evidence to Congress in July 2023, went around the world.

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And I thought, "Well, um, I must make some contacts in the Israeli Space Agency quickly."

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And I went to, uh, Israel to try to contact him, and extraordinarily, he went completely to ground.

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He wasn't answering the phone, he wasn't answering emails.

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Had you been in contact with him before that? No, no.

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But I, I got a very senior contact in the space agency, uh, to work on my behalf to try to contact him.

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So I contacted his co-author, Hagar Yanai, and she said, "I really can't speak about the book at all."

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And- Whoa ... "I can give you no interviews."

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So you've got this extraordinary situation of, uh, this book being published, neither, um, Eshed or, or Yagay wanting to give any interview, and in fact, closing down completely.

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And the book has never been published in English, and I got it translated.

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And it is very interesting, and it not only deals with crashes that are not well known in the literature, but it deals also with, um, his interpretation of photos taken from rovers which we've sent to Mars, uh, picking out signs of intelligent life.

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And it speaks also about, uh, as I say, these agreements between the Israelis, the English, the Japanese, and one or two other countries with the Galactic Federation.

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Now, the only problem is, um, that we just don't know, uh, what his source of information was, and therefore, it's very difficult to evaluate what he said.

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Um, I spoke at the time- Well, presumably he would be the source of information- He said- ... if you're that high up in the space program.

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He was, but then you want to know, well, okay, so were you briefed by, um, American intelligence officials or counterparts in, uh, NASA?

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How did you acquire this information? Yeah.

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