Minister Discusses Tesso Nilo Encroachment and Greenpeace Debate
You’re a minister, so how come you lose to
the encroachers in Tesso Nilo?
Ah, let me explain, Bung. This is not America.
America has been independent for 200 years. We
have only just reformed. These officials are afraid
of the people. Because the people now are so powerful.
Before, the DPR chose, now the people choose. Imagine,
I want to make an arrest in Tesso Nilo, let alone
make an arrest, I cannot even get in. Because there are
Fifty thousand people there. The ones who control the national park
there. Do you feel like you did not explain that much, sir, in that video?
this, sir, in that video?
Yeah, maybe it was cut, edited. He is the one who owns it
The camera, I don’t have one. He’s the one with it all
His whole team, I don’t have any. I actually invited him
to debate in front of… at that, at that what’s it called… At
a forum. There were media. There were 20 media outlets waiting.
But the media skipped it. Because at that time
I was… challenged by Greenpeace. I had an open debate.
An open debate. The referee back then was the late
Faisal Basri. Greenpeace. We took it step by step. If
you can prove that I am guilty, I will step down.
I want it so that if we… what, debate or have
something… it is open. I can express
my thoughts. No matter how harsh you are, go ahead, it is not
a problem for me.
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Original transcript (Indonesian)
Kamu ini kan menteri, kenapa kalah itu sama perambah di Tesso Nilo itu? Ah, saya jelaskan, Bung. Ini bukan Amerika. Amerika negara sudah 200 tahun merdeka. Kita ini baru reformasi. Pejabat-pejabat ini takut
sama rakyat. Karena rakyat sekarang begitu kuasa. Dulu pilihan DPR, sekarang pilihan rakyat. Bayangkan, saya mau nangkap di Tesso Nilo itu, jangankan nangkap, masuk saja enggak bisa. Karena ada 50.000 orang di sana. Yang menguasai taman nasional
itu. Perasaan Bapak menjelaskan enggak sepanjang ini, Pak, di video itu? Ya mungkin dipotong, diedit. Kan dia yang punya kamera, saya kan enggak punya. Kan dia semua timnya, saya enggak ada. Saya ajak dia sebetulnya
berdebat di depan... di anu, di apa tuh... Di forum lah. Ada media. Ada 20 media nunggunya. Tapi media dilewatkan. Karena saya pada waktu itu... ditantang oleh Greenpeace. Saya debat terbuka. Debat terbuka. Wasitnya waktu itu almarhum
Faisal Basri. Greenpeace. Kita bertahap. Kalau kamu bisa membuktikan saya bersalah, saya berhenti. Saya ingin kalau kita... apa, debat atau ada sesuatu... itu terbuka. Saya bisa nyampaikan pikiran. Sekeras apa pun silakan, buat enggak
masalah buat saya.
