Kidnapper Describes Ransoms and Alleged Gun Supply by a Soldier
How many years have you been doing this?
I've been doing this for four years.
Who do you work under?
I work under a sorcerer.
A sorcerer?
Yes.
Um, where else are you based?
We're based in Rijana.
Rijana, which state is Rijana in?
It's out there, from Sabuwa,
far beyond Tsohuwa, deep in the bush.
Apart from Rijana, where else are you,
apart from where you are with the animal?
Apart from Rijana,
we've been staying around Lokoja.
Lokoja?
Yes.
Have you grown up around this place?
Yes.
Now, um,
when you said you went into this,
you joined it, it's been almost
four years.
What major jobs do you know you have
done?
The major jobs I know I've
done here in Kaduna,
I've done two major
jobs, for which we
were given 500 million
each, twice.
What major jobs? What kind?
The first time, we went and took a customs officer.
Hmm, a customs officer?
Yes.
He was a customs officer.
A customs officer.
Uh-huh.
We were given 500 million.
Uh-huh.
Then the second time, we went again,
and took this customs officer.
You took both customs officers? And him—
But the second one's wife was the
one we took so we could find him.
And how many millions were you given for him?
We were also given 500 million for him.
What about the one on the Lokoja road?
On the Lokoja road, we catch Yorubas.
You block the road?
Yes, we block the road.
Is that the Lokoja road to the south?
Yes, that's where we block the road.
Who was your boss there, where you blocked the road?
We were with Dubu Aka there too.
When you block the road,
what do you do with the Yorubas? How do you—
How do we?
We stop cars and take them.
When we want to take people,
we look for the wealthy ones.
Let's take them and go with them.
How do you identify the rich ones among them?
There is a certain appearance
to those who are well- fed,
and those who are well- fed will
make them go for big vehicles.
How much do you receive for it?
We receive around one hundred million,
we do it for one hundred to 200 million.
How many are you separately? How many are there?
There, where we live in Lokoja.
Hmm.
There are 20 of us living there.
What about here in Kaduna?
Here in Kaduna, honestly, we are over 100.
You are up to 100?
We are over 100.
So, how many animals are in your group?
How many animals does each of you have?
Animals, in our group, each person has
ten animals.
If you put together ten animals each,
how many are you altogether?
Yes, there are 400 of us there.
You are up to 500?
We are four—
Hey, where is your weapon? Do you have a gun?
I left my gun in the bush.
So, is there something else you receive,
or is that all?
There is another place where I get it,
he has three million hidden in the bush.
Um.
So who supplies you with weapons?
There is a soldier who brings us weapons, from whom we buy
guns.
Who buys the guns? Do you buy the guns?
Yes, I do. We do. I go to him.
Where does he bring the guns to you?
He brings them to us at the market area.
Here at Kaduna market?
Yes.
And he is a soldier?
He is a soldier.
But what does he bring the guns to you in?
He brings them to us in a car.
How much do you buy a gun from him for?
We bought one for one million and ten thousand.
One million and ten thousand?
We bought it for one million.
I see. So what is your
relationship with him?
Is there anything between you?
Our leaders introduced us to him.
Yes, do you have anything of yours with him now?
Yes, he currently has five million
of mine.
So, you gave him five million?
He wants to, he told me he'll buy POP.
Um.
He'll fix up his house.
Does he have a house he will build?
He has houses, yes,
he built houses because of th- th,
the matter of our Adali
that he built many houses around here.
Do you know where the houses are?
I know his houses.
Where are the houses?
His houses are close to our houses.
Here?
Here, PW, Saura's father.
PW, Saura's father?
Yes.
His houses?
His houses.
What's his name?
Abdul.
Abdul?
Yes.
Does he come and bring you weapons into the bush?
Yes, he comes. And he comes
there with young men,
around four o'clock, maybe,
five.
Um.
Then he goes back at eight o'clock.
Then, will he continue working?
Yes, he goes back home.
Now will you cooperate with the security forces,
will you cooperate with the
security forces so we can go
with all the soldiers and all the others
who bring you food and
everything, so we can
catch them all?
By God, I'll give you this—
On the Lokoja road, you said you block the road.
How do you identify
wealthy people? You said you can
tell by a person's appearance.
Is that right?
Yes, from the kinds of cars important people
drive.
Uh-huh.
That's where we intercept them.
Where exactly do you
keep the people you want?
In the bush, we—
Yes, but where in the bush?
Honestly, I don't know the name of the forest—
So is it still you who rob people on this road?
Yes, it's us.
Who are the ones still operating there?
There are other boys, there are—
Who are they?
There's… one called Kanabaro.
Kanabaro?
Yes.
They're men.
There's Sabu, there's Abubakar.
Abubakar?
There are many, one is called Saleh.
Saleh, yes. Are they the ones
robbing people on the Lokoja road?
Yes.
Not you.
End of transcript · 995 words · machine translated
Original transcript (Filipino)
Yaushe shekaru nawa ka na yin wannan? Na kai shekara huɗu na yi wannan. A garkashin waye waye kake? A garkashin boka nake. Boka?
Eh. Uhm, ina daban kuke? Daban muna Rijana. Rijana, Rijana wani, wani jahii yake nan? Da daga wajen, daga Sabuwa gam, daga
Tsohuwa gam, gaba da Tsohuwa gam sosai, cikin daji. Banda Rijana ba inda kuke, banda inda kuke da dabba? Banda, banda Rijana, to daga nan dai mun zauna wajajen Lokoja.
Lokoja? Eh. Shi macen kun yi girma bin kiya nan? Eh. Now, um,
yaushe, da kace ka je wannan, ka, ka shiga daban ci, ya kai kusan shekara huɗu. Wane manya manyan aiki nawa da ka san ka yi?
Manya manyan aiki wanda na san na yi a nan Kaduna, na yi manyan aiki guda biyu, wanda aka ba mu miliyan ɗari biyar
biyar sau biyu. Manyan aiki da waye da waye? iri wane iri? Da dau-dau, mun je mun ɗauko wani custom. Hm, custom officer? Eh.
Ma'aikacin custom kiya nan. Ma'aikacin custom. Uhm. An ba mu miliyan ɗari biyar. Uhm.
Sai na biyu nan ma mun ƙara zuwa, mun ɗauko wannan ma'aikacin custom. Duka custom biyu kuka ɗauka? Shi kuma- Amma na biyu matan shine muka ɗauka mu same shi.
Shi kuma miliyan nawa aka ba ku? Shi kuma miliyan ɗari biyar aka ba mu. A hanyar Lokoja fa, shi fa? A hanyar Lokoja fa kuma Yarabawa ne muke kama. Hanya ku ke tarewa?
Eh, hanya muke tarewa. Hanya Lokoja da kudu kiya nan? Eh, nan muke tarewa. Can waye mai gidan ka a can, da kuke tare hanya? Can ma dubu aka ne muna tare da shi.
In kun tare hanya, to ya ku ke da Yarabawan? Ya ku ke, ya muke? Muna tare motocin muka ɗauko su lokacin zamu ɗauki
mutanen mu sami irin masu kuɗi zamu ɗauke su mu tafi da su. Ya ku ke gane mai kuɗi a cikinsu? Akwai irin kamanni wanda suka ƙoshi, wanda
su, wanda suka ƙoshi zai sa su suna wa manyan motoci. Kaman nawa kuke karɓa shi kuma? Kuma muna karɓan kamar miliyan ɗari, miliyan ɗari biyu muna yin sa.
Ku nawa ne a daban ku? Kun kai nawa? A can dai inda muke zama a Lokoja. Hm. Mu ashirin muke zama wurin. Nan Kaduna fa?
A nan Kaduna gaskiya mun haura ɗari. Kun kai ɗari? Mun haura ɗari. Da, dabba nawa ne bangaren ku? Ku dabba dabba guda nawa ne?
Dabba, a bangaren mu dabba dabba ya kai dabba goma. In an haɗa dabba da goma, duka kun kai nawa? Ya, mu huɗu ɗari jar wuri.
Kun kai ɗari biyar? Mu huɗu- Kai ina, ina makamin ka? Ka na da bindiga? Ni bindiga na tuna cikin daji. To akwai daban da kuke
karɓawa, yana ko daɗai suke to? Akwai daban inda nake ansa, yana da miliyan uku cikin daji. Uhm. To su wa suke kawo muku makami?
Akwai wani soja wanda yake kawo mana makami, wanda muke sayan bindigu a wurin shi. Wa yake sayan bindiga? Kai kake sayan bindiga? Eh, ni, ni, mu, ni wa ina zuwa wurin. A ina kake zuwa yake kawo muku bindiga?
Yana kai mana a nan bangaren kasuwa. Nan kasuwan Kaduna? Eh. Kuma soja ne? Soja ne.
Amma a cikin me yake kawo muku bindigoyi? A cikin mota yake kawo mana. Nawa kuke sayan bindiga a wurin shi? Dubun diga ɗaya miliyan ɗaya mun saya. Dubun diga ɗaya miliyan ɗaya?
Miliyan ɗaya mun saya. Aha. To mene ne alakar ku tsakanin ka da shi? Akwai abu tsakanin ku? A to dama manya mu ne suka haɗa mu da shi.
Eh, akwai abun ka a wajen shi yanzu? Eh, akwai miliyan biyar a hannun shi yanzu nawa. Ya kai ka ba shi miliyan biyar? Yana so, ya ce min zai sayi POP.
Uhm. Zai gyara gidanshi. Yana da gida zai ƙera? Yana da gidaje, ya, ya gina gidaje saboda du, du,
abun da adali din mu da ya gina gidaje sosai a nan wurin. Ka san gidajen ne inda suke? Na san gidajen shi. A ina gidajen suke?
Gidajen shi yana kusa da gidajen mu. A nan? A nan PW baban Saura. PW baban Saura? Eh.
Gidajen sa? Gidajen sa. Wa ye sunan shi? Abdul. Abdul?
Eh. Yana zuwa ya kawo muku makami har daji? Eh, yana zuwa. Kuma a wurin yana zuwa da yanma, irin ƙarfe huɗu musa, ƙarfe
biyar. Uhm. Sai ƙarfe takwas zai koma. Cikin, zai ci gaba da aiki? Eh, ya koma gidanshi.
Yanzu za ka ba jam'iyan tsaro, ba, za ka ba jam'iyan tsaro haɗin kai mu je duk da sojan da duk sauran mutane masu kawo muku
abinci, da komai mu same su duka? Allah ya, ni zan ba ku wannan- A hanyar Lokoja, kace kuna tare hanya, unku ya ku ke gane
masu kuɗi? Ka ce wanka ga jikin mutum kuke gane akwai? Eh, ga, irin daga motocin da mutane manya manyan motocin da suke hawa.
Uhm. Hannan muke tarewa. A daidai ina kuke ajiye mutanen unkun da kuke so? A cikin daji muke-
Eh, daji to ina? Gaskiya ban san sunan dajin da- Yanzu daban ku ne har yanzu suke cin hanyar kiya nan? Eh, su ne. Su waye kenan suke aiki har yanzu a wurin?
Akwai sauran yara akwai- Su waye? ...ana, ana ce mai Kanabaro. Kanabaro? Eh.
Maza ne. Akwai sau abu, akwai Abubakar. Abubakar? Eh, akwai tukura nawa an, ana ce mai Saleh. Saleh eh. Su ne
suke cin hanyar Lokoja nan? Eh. Ba ku.
