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I want to show you with Byron Donalds. That went viral this week. Rob, if you can pull that up.

So this video here is a video, if we can get the date. This is how many... let's see what Chief...

Can you can you go back up to see when this video is? This video is from 2021.

Let me read it from Chief Nerd. He's a... he's great at posting these types of things.

"Now that you have left CNN, Chris, and started providing more balanced view on COVID vaccines

including the serious harm that can cause, would you be willing to apologize for interviews

like this one from 2021? The mainstream media denial of natural immunity

claims that the vaccine would stop infection transmission and complete omission of potential risk

caused great harm in our society. People lost careers, relationships, loved ones and trust

in our institutions due to this harmful propaganda. Your apology would show a lot of courage

that frankly your peers have lacked." All right, play the clip, it's two minutes. Go for it.

Everybody should know that about you, Byron Donalds. You are not telling people to get vaccinated.

You are not pushing it. You are not saying it's the right choice.

You're saying you're not doing it and your family's not doing it, and you're leaving out of the equation

that you can make other people sick as if that doesn't matter.

Okay? Chris, did you not just hear my answer 30 seconds ago where I said if you want to be protected

from these variants and the original strain, please go get vaccinated? I promote you to do that.

I just told you live on your own show that if you want to get vaccinated, America, go do it.

But if there are Americans like myself who choose not to, please don't berate me for doing that.

That is a personal choice I have made for my own healthcare. I am allowed to do that. I'm entitled to do that.

It's... See... Here's the thing, Byron. You're absolutely right to do it. You have a right to do it.

Two different statements. Okay? Do you have the right? Of course. Nobody's debating that

except you guys as a false choice. What I'm saying is, is it right to do it?

Have you spoken to a doctor? You're supposed to be a leader. Have you talked to the CDC

and the people who are in Florida at the Department of Health about whether or not they think you made a good choice?

Because if your answer is just then, "Well, I don't care what they say. This is me. I'm an American."

That is being dumb as a proxy for being bold. And I don't think it's a good message.

Because remember, it's not just you protecting yourself. Well, let me... let me say this.

It's you protecting me and other people from you. That's why you get vaccinated, not just for yourself.

Important distinction. Go ahead. Actually, the way vaccines work are to protect yourself.

A vaccine basically gives you a special cocoon where you actually limit the worst harmful effects

of the virus itself or may not get it altogether depending on your own personal physiology.

So that's the way vaccines work. Now to me personally, I did talk to a couple of doctors that I know about it.

I told them I already had it and I'm 42. What do you think? And they said, "Yeah, you're fine.

If that's what you want to do, go ahead and do it." They didn't come and say, "No, no, you have to do it

because of everybody else." Because if other people want to be protected, they have access to vaccines.

Go get the vaccine. I would never tell anybody not to get vaccinated. I do totally support it

if that's what somebody chooses to do. I don't know why this is hard. It's that simple.

Oh, listen. I totally agree with you. It is very simple. I think you're making it hard.

'Cause you're seeing some kind of righteousness in a choice to do something that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

But again, that's your right. What I'm saying is something else. You're wrong about how vaccines work.

You're only giving part of the prophylaxis, okay? The other aspect to why you take the vaccine is

it also reduces, not completely, nothing is perfect and certainly this vaccine is not.

But it also reduces your ability to communicate the virus and make other people infected.

That part matters too. Okay. So now that's resurfacing.

We've had conversations. We've talked about COVID. Uh, Tom and I are talking about the long vaccine

and what that's doing. A lot of my friends are going through it and...

Long COVID... I'm sorry, long... not long vaccine, forgive me. Long COVID. A lot of friends are talking about it.

We're 40, 50, you know, you're sitting there saying, "Hey, what the hell is going on with my body?"

What's changed from that conversation with you and Byron to where you are today?

Well, a lot has changed. Uh, and a lot needs to change that hasn't.

Uh, here's what matters to me about the clip. Apology? Of course not.

Um, Byron Donalds comes on my show now, okay? Why? Exchange of respect.

Uh, was never personal. I believe as a leader at that time, uh, you had a duty

uh, to be thorough in what you were putting out there as opposed to just playing politics, okay?

This was never as simple as vaccine good, vaccine bad. Politics made it that.

Uh, and it put us into a toxic environment, no pun intended, where even today

there's no curiosity about the vaccine. You get a VAERS system which is... is very imperfect.

And you don't have robust government dialogue or investigation of the vaccine.

You don't have political investigation of what happened during the pandemic. What was right, what was wrong.

To Vinny's point about what's still continuing about who wants to control what.

Because they only see politics. They only see advantage. My concern is

that the unknowns are now more dangerous than the knowns. So, what's changed since then?

I don't have long vaccine. People are saying I've ad... I've admit... No, no, no. Long vaccine. Okay.

I've... people are saying I've admitted that the vaccine hurt me. I have not admitted that. I don't know that.

Do I now believe that we have data to support the fact that there are thousands of people who have had adverse effects

that are not getting attention, let alone treatment? Yes. And I fault government for that.

I do have what they call long COVID. Now, I say "they call" because the government...

you know, it's funny, after that clip, I got called by government people bitching at me

because I said that the vaccine wasn't perfect. So... Wow. That's where we were then. That's where we were then.

But they say, "Hey Chris, easy on the long COVID. We don't know that it's a thing." We... we don't know.

We're still trying to figure it out. It could be other things, autoimmune, that... So, I'm saying

my doctors say I have long COVID. I have the symptoms. They showed me my blood work.

Scared the bejesus out of me to see this glowing micro-clot stuff that they see in my blood.

That... it really shook me up. So I'm doing all the protocols. Um, my doctor, Terrain Health...

there are international consortium because they have to do it themselves 'cause the government's not giving them any guidance.

The vaccine is a really important conversation that's being ignored.

I do not fault myself for telling people at the time what the government was giving us as best practices.

People say, "But your job is to question." On what basis? The basis of questioning early on was

"Because I say so. Because you don't get to tell me what to do and not do." Fine, I say. You are right.

I said it then. However, you can't expect to be everywhere and do everything

that the government is controlling. 'Cause you're not going to. Your kids aren't going to be able to be in school

just like is true today in terms of what your state's vaccine protocol is. That was my point.

What this guy and others want me to do is to say, "I was wrong, the vaccine is bad." I am not going to say that.

The data is overwhelming that when the vaccine entered our population

the people going into the hospital with very serious or eventually terminal cases was reduced.

Now, at what cost? And why? We don't know. Am I open to that? Yes.

If I were a propagandist, I wouldn't be doing the reporting that I'm doing right now.

I started a Substack that is only about this, where I am letting you see what my doctor is saying

and what we're doing on my own dime. Because I believe in it.

I'll tell you something else that's going to get you a... sh... uh... a lot of hits.

I am taking a... um... what do they call it? Like a... a regular dose, you know, whatever...

they... they're trying to build up, of Ivermectin. Ivermectin was a boogeyman early on in COVID.

You couldn't talk about it. That was wrong. We were given bad information about Ivermectin.

The real question is, why? Everyone's going to say, "Joe Rogan was right." No, Joe Rogan was saying...

yeah, he was right. But that's... that's not what matters. What matters is the entire clinical community

knew that Ivermectin couldn't hurt you. They knew it, Patrick. I know they knew it. How do I know?

Because now I'm doing nothing but talking to these clinicians who at the time were overwhelmed by COVID

and they weren't saying anything. Not that they were hiding anything. But it's cheap, it's not owned by anybody

and it's used as an antimicrobial, antiviral in all of these different ways and has been for a long time.

For malaria for over... almost 20 years. Yeah. So, and my doctor, who... who is now my doctor

was using it during COVID on her family and on patients and it was working for them.

So, they were wrong to play scared on that. Didn't know that at the time. Know it now. Admit it now.

Reporting on it now. 'Cause I think that's the job. The idea that, "Well, you were a vaccine proponent."

Why wouldn't I have been a vaccine proponent? Now there are questions. "Oh no, but I knew at the time."

No, you didn't. What you knew was that there were people telling you to be resistant

to what the government was telling you to do. That's fine. But I think for Byron Donalds and for other leaders

that's not the standard. The standard is, what is the basis of you telling people it's okay if you don't take it?

And I felt that he didn't have a good basis.