0:01

Look, Mr. Putin is got, he got all, he's very smart.

0:04

Well, you know him better than most people.

0:06

Yeah, I did. What, what was he like behind closed doors away from, you know, the sort of the public utterances?

0:12

Smart and, um, remarkably, um, we had a really good, blunt relationship.

0:20

How blunt? Brutally blunt. Ever like in a fisticuffs?

0:24

No, uh, no. But I think, you know, I think the right strategy most of the time is, but it's frustrating to people in your line of work.

0:34

You should be brutally honest with people in private, and then if you want them to help you, try to avoid embarrassing them in public.

0:41

Right. Now, sometimes they do things which make it impossible for you to keep quiet.

0:47

But by and large, I found all the people I dealt with appreciated it if I told them the truth.

0:54

Did Putin- How I honestly felt and what our interests were and what our objectives were, and they also appreciated it when I didn't kick them around in public for as long as I couldn't kick them around.

1:05

So I, I, you know, that's my experience.

1:06

And- Did Putin ever renege on a personal- No ... agreement he made to you?

1:11

He did not. So behind closed doors, he could be trusted?

1:15

He kept his word in all the deals we made.

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