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Paperclip brought over 1,600 German scientists into the United States government after World War II, including individuals who had conducted human experimentation in concentration camps.

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The CIA military were aware of their backgrounds and recruited them anyways.

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In your research, did you find direct documentation between Paperclip scientists and the development of MKUltra's experimental protocols, specifically the use of mescaline, hypnosis, and sen-sensory deprivation, which were te-techniques also documented at Dachau?

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Absolutely. Uh, Kurt Blome, who was the chief of biological weapons development for the Nazi government, came to work for the CIA.

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So did Walter Schreiber, who was the surgeon general of the Nazi army.

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Um, I can just tell a, a brief story. When I was researching my book, I found what I think might be the first secret CIA prison or black site.

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It's a nice chalet in Germany. And the guy who now owns it took me into the basement.

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He said, "These were the cells where the MKUltra officers, working side by side with Nazis, uh, carried out those gruesome experiments," which were actually just continuations of the experiments that those Nazis had been conducting just a few years earlier right down the road.

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Just for timeline and clarification, these experiments were happening after the Nuremberg trials, correct?

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So the CIA would have known that these were crimes against humanity.

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I looked for an episode in which the Nuremberg doctrines were posted on the wall in some MKUltra or CIA office, and I was never able to find any indication that those Nuremberg principles ever were even consulted, much less obeyed.

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