《古兰经》、福音书与耶稣神性:基督徒与穆斯林的讨论
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《古兰经》不是穆罕默德的话,而是上帝的话。
但它是穆罕默德写的。不是穆罕默德写的。是谁写的?穆罕默德不识字。
他不会写字也不会读书。是谁写的?那是上帝的话。
那是神圣的话语。你看到了吗?每次都这样。
他们一直都很一致。我很欣赏这一点。好吗?
这是上帝的话,而且他们对此非常狂热。我尊重你的热忱。
你根本不可能理性地和对方交谈。同样,如果你问我:“你为什么相信《圣经》是上帝的话?”
而我直视着你的眼睛,说:“因为它是上帝的话。”
理性讨论已经无法进行下去了。我对伊斯兰教的第二个哲学层面的问题是,我的穆斯林朋友告诉我马太、马可、路加,还有约翰的记载都不准确。
它们是被篡改过的福音书。事实上,他们会说,内容被改过了。
没错,正是如此。那么接下来的问题显然就是,那些未被篡改的福音书在哪里?
遗憾的是,我的穆斯林朋友们拿不出未被篡改的福音书。
相反,我的穆斯林朋友们要我相信的是,穆罕默德在耶稣之后五百年得到的启示,这显然意味着穆罕默德从未见过耶稣,而那本书,也就是《古兰经》,对历史上的耶稣的描述比福音书更准确,而福音书是由亲眼见证者写成的。好吧,恕我直言。
每当我想研究某个历史人物时,我不会跑去问一个在事情发生五百年后才生活的人。
我要去找亲眼见证者。我不会相信马丁·斯科塞斯作为我了解耶稣的主要信息来源。
马丁·斯科塞斯从未见过耶稣,塞西尔·B·德米尔也没有。
我要回到马太、马可、路加和约翰,他们生活在公元一世纪,把他们作为我了解耶稣的主要信息来源。
我对伊斯兰教的第三个哲学疑问是:我的穆斯林朋友非常尊敬耶稣。
事实上,我的穆斯林朋友尊敬耶稣,远胜于一般的美国人。
我的穆斯林朋友相信耶稣由处女所生,相信他升上了天堂,也相信他会再次降临。
这比一般美国人对耶稣的信仰,可多得多。但我的穆斯林朋友说,虽然耶稣讲的是绝对真理,穆罕默德讲的也同样是绝对真理。
问题是,他们在某些观点上彼此矛盾。你不能说A是绝对真理,然后又说B也是绝对真理,如果A和B彼此矛盾,因为那样只会让 C趁机出现,声称C才是绝对真理,尽管事实上, C与B和A都相矛盾。
一种绝对真理不能被另一种绝对真理推翻。耶稣曾声称自己是上帝吗?
是的,他确实这么说过。什么时候?在《圣经》里?
《约翰福音》8章58节,耶稣说: “亚伯拉罕出生以前,我就存在。”
《约翰福音》10章30节,耶稣说: “我与父原为一。”
《约翰福音》14章9节,耶稣说: “看见我的人,就是看见了父。”
显然,耶稣声称自己是上帝。所以他同时既是人又是上帝?
他就是这么说的。也许他是个疯子,但他就是这么说的。
他不是疯子。他是先知。嗯,他自称是化身为人的上帝,这就意味着他不只是先知。
他是化身为人的上帝。那是他的自称。但上帝是某种超越人类形态的存在,所以说上帝是人就说不通,因为他未必会比对方高一等。
好,第一点是,上帝不是某种东西。《圣经》坚持认为上帝是一个人,是有位格的存在。
而一个有位格的存在,完全有可能作为创造者,谦卑自己,成为一个人。
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The Quran is not the word of Muhammad, it is the word of God.
But it was written by Muhammad. It was not written by Muhammad.
Who wrote it? Muhammad was illiterate. He didn't know how to write or read. Who wrote it?
It was the word of God. It is divine word.
You see? It's every single time. They're very consistent. I appreciate it.
All right? It is the word of God, and they're very passionate about it.
I respect your passion. There's no way you can rationally have a conversation with that.
The same way, if you ask me, "Why do you believe the Bible's the word of God?"
And I look you in the face and I say, "Because it's the word of God."
Rational discourse has broken down. My second philosophical problem with Islam is, my Muslim friends inform me Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are inaccurate.
They're perverted gospel. In fact, it's been changed, they will say. Right, exactly.
So then obviously the next question is, well, where are the unperverted ones?
Unfortunately, my Muslim friends cannot produce the unperverted ones.
Instead, what my Muslim friends ask me to believe is that a revelation that Muhammad had 500 years after Jesus, which obviously means Muhammad never met Jesus, that that book, the Quran, is a more accurate presentation of the historical Jesus than the Gospels written by the eyewitnesses. Well, I'm sorry.
Whenever I want to study an historical person, I don't go running to a guy who lived 500 years after the fact.
I want to go to the eyewitnesses. I'm not going to trust Martin Scorsese to be my primary source of information about Jesus.
Martin Scorsese never met Jesus, neither did Cecil B. DeMille.
I'm going to go back to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, who lived in the 1st century, to be my primary source of information about Jesus.
My third philosophical problem with Islam is, my Muslim friends have great respect for Jesus.
In fact, my Muslim friends respect Jesus far more than the typical American does.
My Muslim friends believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he ascended to heaven, and that he's coming back a second time.
Well, that's far more than the typical American believes about Jesus.
But my Muslim friends say that although Jesus speaks the absolute truth, Muhammad also speaks absolute truth.
And the problem is, they contradict each other on certain points.
You cannot have A be absolute true and then B be absolute true if A and B contradict each other, because that does nothing then but to allow for C to come along, claiming C is absolute truth, in spite of the fact that C contradicts both B and A. You cannot have an absolute truth contradicted by another absolute truth.
Did Jesus ever claim to be God? Yeah, he sure did. When? In the Bible?
John 8:58, Jesus says, "Before Abraham was born, I am."
In John 10:30, Jesus says, "I and the Father are one."
In John 14:9, Jesus says, "He who has seen me has seen the Father."
Clearly, Jesus claimed to be God. So he was both human and God at the same time?
That's what he claimed. Maybe he was a lunatic, but that's what he claimed.
He wasn't a lunatic. He was a prophet. Well, he claimed to be God in human form, which means he's more than a prophet.
He's God in human form. That's what he claimed.
But God is something that's superior to human form, so it doesn't make sense for God to be human, because he wouldn't necessarily be higher than the other.
All right, first point is, God is not some thing.
The Bible insists that God is someone, a personal being.
And it's totally possible for a personal being, who's the creator, to humble himself and become a human being.
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