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Incels are a misogynistic group. Effectively, they hate women.

How many incels have become killers?

We'd say roughly between 7 to 15 around the world.

Sorry, how many?

Estimates typically range from between 7 to 15 incel killers,

and roughly 59 people have been killed in ideologically motivated incel killings.

In the United Kingdom?

Around the world.

Even one murder is too many, of course.

But inceldom doesn't appear to be the phenomenon I thought it was.

It's clear that this documentary needs to take a different direction.

So effectively, I have got everything wrong about incels.

I... I think that they kill lots of girls, globally,

and in the United Kingdom.

I think they're a threat, a permanent threat to the security of this country.

I think there are hundreds of thousands of them.

I think that they are generally white and right-leaning.

So, all those preconceptions that I have are wrong.

Many of them, yes. And it's not your fault, Ross, because if you were to just pay attention to the media

that is most often put out there about incels,

it often espouses exactly the stereotypical depiction that you bought into at the beginning.

So, don't... don't be too hard on yourself, but there is a lot of misinformation there

about this topic that we... it's really good to appeal to the research.